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Godzilla145
01-25-2012, 05:07 PM
Now I've stayed quite about this whole pipa/sopa/open/s.978, but not with ACTA.
Please read this article, it looks like we may already be too late...
http://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-and-eu-to-sign-controversial-acta-treaty-tomorrow-336764-Jan2012/
Basically it's sopa/pipa/open/s.978 except it stretches across most the world. In fact all our EU and Australian members may not be coming around here anymore if this thing gets voted in and then agreed upon by European parliment, WHICH IS BEING VOTED ON TOMORROW THURSDAY JANUARY 26, 2012. Even worse, Obama has already signed this "treaty", source here:http://www.webpronews.com/president-obama-doesnt-support-sopa-but-signs-acta-2012-01 and from that article it seems he doesn't even have the legal powers to do that(and from the other article most who are signing this bill in the EU don't either), but he did anyway(and they can too).

This video has strong language but it's by one of my fave animators, OneyNG:
[youtube:2hphttsn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG3FpBzszFg[/youtube:2hphttsn]

One more vid to better explain this anyone else: [youtube:2hphttsn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Xg_C2YmG0[/youtube:2hphttsn]

On a sidenote here, the nice wonderful man who made sopa has something else to make the internet a "safer place".
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/176050/demand-end-to-acta-and-house-bill-h-r-1981-on-international-privacy-day/ Basically everything you've ever done on the internet will be recorded for eight months... but don't worry it is in a "Safe place" that no hacker could ever get into.... yeah right.

THERE IS SOME FORM OF HOPE
If you live in the EU or UK, you could, I dunno, sign this: http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/20850

Mplay213
01-25-2012, 05:22 PM
Oh god that's depressing..

kmmgreen5
01-25-2012, 05:48 PM
i m scared for the world this is much more than just music and movies acta covers drugs and plants and all copyrights and trademarks and stuff and it basically guarantee's that certain companies will control the world

Wallace
01-25-2012, 05:56 PM
Obama can sign any treaty he wants. However, it's not enforced as a law in the US until congress passes a bill stating this.

notmman
01-25-2012, 05:58 PM
Welp, nice knowing you guys.

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/commen ... _what_you/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/or8ag/ive_read_the_final_version_of_acta_heres_what_you/) and then I laughed.

Letifer
01-25-2012, 06:02 PM
One day, the whole world would perish.
When one of the few (younger)survivors asks how this could happen, everyone else would say that it was all because the music/movie industry couldn't take it anymore and decided to stop everyone from having fun ever again.

Muzy72
01-25-2012, 07:44 PM
At this point, I feel like something like this is inevitable. We can delay it all we want (which we should), but it's eventually going to happen.

Oh, and I'm definitely never paying money to see a movie again. The movie industry is the reason for all of this, so there's no way I'll be supporting them ever again. Assholes.

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Mplay213
01-26-2012, 08:13 AM
https://www.accessnow.org/page/s/just-say-no-to-acta
Come on guys let's at least try stop it!

Marche100
01-26-2012, 04:36 PM
WHAT A LOAD OF BULL!@#%.

I have no words to express how stupid this is! It's just...

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Trust, Me I Got This
01-26-2012, 06:48 PM
I hate the fact that big corporations run everything rather than the government and are able to get crap like this to be enforced. But then again we could start our own internet, with Blackjack and Hookers.....

Marche100
01-26-2012, 07:01 PM
I hate the fact that big corporations run everything rather than the government and are able to get crap like this to be enforced. But then again we could start our own internet, with Blackjack and Hookers.....

In fact, forget the internet!

notmman
01-26-2012, 09:32 PM
The internet won't die because of this though.

It'll never die.

Masamune
01-27-2012, 09:30 AM
i await the day the world become a totalitarian dictatorship

this is clearly a step in that direction

2012 by George Orwell

ConnorTheCastform
01-27-2012, 02:43 PM
hmm? Acta? TBQH Ive been hearing the direct oppisite.(in that it's not a worse SOPA) and it basically a law to get non-copyright Countries up to scratch and won't harm most anything. Though Ive been trying to find a true copy of the Bill(not the ones people post on blogs) so take this with a grain of salt.

Ive also heard it's basically like America's DMCA bill. but again don't trust that.

Muzy72
01-27-2012, 05:07 PM
Is there anywhere on the Internet where I can get actual facts about this?

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ConnorTheCastform
01-27-2012, 06:29 PM
That's what I'm looking for Muzy.

Help would be welll...Helpful.

notmman
01-28-2012, 12:28 AM
Honestly, from what I've seen and heard it would seem as though ACTA was passed a year ago in Australia.

So I guess I've been censored for a year and I haven't noticed a thing.

the1stpkmnfan
01-28-2012, 10:01 AM
I don't know how I can show my sadness of this... creature they call a bill.

Oh yeah, remember the whole 2012 ending the whole world? I think the Mayans we're right about something. Or, the government and all these associates are trying to make that happen.

I've thought of so ever since SOPA/PIPA made a impact on protesting.

Trust, Me I Got This
01-28-2012, 02:22 PM
Honestly, from what I've seen and heard it would seem as though ACTA was passed a year ago in Australia.

So I guess I've been censored for a year and I haven't noticed a thing.
ACTA wasn't passed here in here in Australia. We signed the treaty which countless other countries have also signed.

zach2m1
01-28-2012, 03:17 PM
I decided to do some research on this and honestly haven't came up with much. Just found this:

The signing of the agreement does not mean the agreement is enforceable yet. ACTA stipulates that it takes effect when six countries have deposited instruments of ratification, acceptance, or approval. In other words, most countries must still ratify the agreement (much like the WIPO Internet treaties, signing indicates general approval of an agreement but being bound by the terms requires ratification).

from here: http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6040/125/

If anyone can find more credible links that would be awesome.

*EDIT* http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6269/125/

If you're Canadian go here: http://www.ccer.ca/canadian-copyright-r ... vengeance/ (http://www.ccer.ca/canadian-copyright-reform/canadian-copyright-reform-back-with-vengeance/)


Ok so this is what I gathered. ACTA, is not as bad as SOPA. But basically if we compromise our freedom today, what happens to our freedom in the future? That is a synopsis of what I read. ACTA is bad, yes. We have the chance to stop it right now.


Given the ongoing concerns, the big question now is whether much can be done. The majority of ACTA countries have signed the agreement, but it will only take effect once five countries have formally implemented and ratified it. That is not expected until at least May 2013, opening the door to stopping the agreement from taking effect. While there are global initiatives such as the AccessNow petition, much of the activity has shifted to specific countries or regions:

-Europe is home to the most active anti-ACTA effort since there is still a possibility that the European Parliament may reject the treaty. There remain serious doubts about whether ACTA is consistent with the EU Acquis. Learn more about what can be done at La Quadrature du Net, EDRI, the Open Rights Group, and FFII.
- In Canada, the Department of Foreign Affairs is conducting an open consultation on ACTA. Email your comments to the department or write Consultations and Liaison Division (BSL), Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada, Lester B. Pearson Building, 125 Sussex Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0G2. A March 2011 Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage report recommended limiting Canada's ACTA commitments.
- In the U.S., much of the focus is on whether ACTA must be approved by Congress. Senator Wyden has raised questions about the issue. KEI has extensive coverage of the U.S. perspective on ACTA.
-In Australia, the Joint Standing Committee on Treaties is accepting submissions on ACTA until January 27, 2012 (Kim Weatherall's submission here). Australia tabled the agreement in Parliament on November 21, 2011 and has taken the position the agreement will not require any legislative changes. The Australia Productivity Commission recommended in 2010 that Australia not include IP provisions in trade agreements.
- The New Zealand government has posted information on ACTA on its website.
-Switzerland and Mexico have yet to sign ACTA.

notmman
01-28-2012, 04:40 PM
-In Australia, the Joint Standing Committee on Treaties is accepting submissions on ACTA until January 27, 2012 (Kim Weatherall's submission here). Australia tabled the agreement in Parliament on November 21, 2011 and has taken the position the agreement will not require any legislative changes. The Australia Productivity Commission recommended in 2010 that Australia not include IP provisions in trade agreements.


So I guess Australia already sort of signed itself in but we were already discussing the issues with ACTA way back in 2010 before SOPA was even introduced. It's kinda hard to stop something that's effectively already signed and it's too late to suggest submissions (due to the current date being Jan 29th)

zach2m1
01-29-2012, 12:48 AM
yeah it seems that way :/ So it seems that 2 countries need to not sign it. Lets hope Europe does their job, and hopefully that will influence possibly other countries.