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Gwellin
10-17-2008, 11:22 PM
No need for massive arguments, we've done that elsewhere, but what do you prefer? I've added in Linux since I believe Oni Link is uses a distribution (was it Mandriva?), and others might.

http://curiousminds.files.wordpress.com/2006/11/macvspcads.jpg

After voting you should watch this hilarious Steve Jobs versus Bill Gates video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHO8l-Bd1O4
Also, there's a flash game to go with it: http://i.current.com/swf/pods/supernews/mac_vs_pc.swf

HiredGun
10-17-2008, 11:28 PM
Lol if i made that video i would be like "Im going to go make some Movies" said steve "...BOOM HEADSHOT" said bill


Lol anyways im a PC guy. Never owned a mac, Have an Ipod nano and hate it. I wouldnt mind a ipod touch though but my nano is just garbage...
I had thoughts of getting a mac once and not even a week later i scrapped the idea and spent $1100 on a PC that I made myself lol

Gwellin
10-17-2008, 11:34 PM
I forgot to mention in my first post, although most all of you know by now, I'm about to ditch Windows in favour of a Mac. I will still use Windows to test crappy Internet Explorer for websites I build, and my old machine will dual boot Linux (probably Ubuntu) as a media server, and Windows as a dedicated gaming partition. So in a way I will be all of the above, but I voted Mac since I will be using that more.

MSico
10-18-2008, 01:08 AM
I'm Phil and I'm a PC

Sonic62
10-18-2008, 01:54 AM
Hi, I'm a PC and I approve this message.

fettouhi
10-18-2008, 02:14 AM
PC

Diana3
10-18-2008, 06:26 AM
I thought about this for a while, and I can't really decide. Everything I liked windows for has also become a reality with macs... only macs do it prettier and with fewer clicks. However, I still haven't switched... I think it's because it would take me a while to get used to it.

In conclusion, I'm a PC and I sell fish

Gwellin
10-19-2008, 12:00 AM
Come on, no Mac votes besides mine? Local, you're leaving me hanging.

Ninboycl
10-19-2008, 12:53 PM
Mac's are for laptop user's who.....
who.....
don't want Vista but are to lazy to go XP?
When you want a laptop, Get Alienware/Dell XPS, because who wants to play with iLife all day, anyway.

Sonic62
10-20-2008, 01:08 AM
Anyone see that new PC commercial? Finally a retaliation to those Mac commercials.

Gwellin
10-20-2008, 01:11 AM
Anyone see that new PC commercial? Finally a retaliation to those Mac commercials.
Three years too late. But much, MUCH, better than the crappy Gates-Seinfeld commercials.

Kurono
10-20-2008, 06:33 AM
PC.
I don't MIND macs, but I think I'll always be a PC person.

localretard
10-20-2008, 09:59 AM
Sorry for leaving you hanging Gwellin haha!

So i've been a PC user since Windows 3.11....then this year I got a Mac.

I have to tell you guys that a mac is like 2 computers in one. It's my PC and my Mac, however you can't efficiently have a PC that also runs a Mac. I get all the mac features plus the PC stuff that hasn't been ported yet to mac, and it all just works, and works very well.

Gwellin
10-20-2008, 11:34 AM
Sorry for leaving you hanging Gwellin haha!
It's about time. I didn't want to be the only one to pick Mac.

I've used Windows for a little longer, since 3.0, and DOS as well, with a 286 12MHz IBM. A few years after that I started using Macs at school then later had both in the house. So, with many years of experience with both types of hardware and software I have finally made my final decision.

wiifan_362
10-20-2008, 08:48 PM
Come on, no Mac votes besides mine? Local, you're leaving me hanging.
i vote mac. _awesome_

we really need to leave gaming out of this though. if u want to take a poll for "best gaming computer" then fine, I'D vote PC. but this is, well, fine i dont know. ima sore loser. MAC FTW. _awesome_

Gwellin
10-20-2008, 09:03 PM
Come on, no Mac votes besides mine? Local, you're leaving me hanging.
i vote mac. _awesome_

we really need to leave gaming out of this though. if u want to take a poll for "best gaming computer" then fine, I'D vote PC. but this is, well, fine i dont know. ima sore loser. MAC FTW. _awesome_
Thank you. And you are also very right, there was no mention of gaming besides using my old computer. Most people will vote PC because they haven't really used anything else before, or they think computers are only for playing games.

wiifan_362
10-20-2008, 09:07 PM
'zactly. take that PC users! _ninja_

Mezix
10-21-2008, 08:10 PM
I'm going with Mac on this one.

I have consoles to do the gaming for me.

wiifan_362
10-21-2008, 08:24 PM
Same. the good thing about consoles are that u dont need to install/upgrade for games. so really u pplz who voted PC cuz ur a PC gamer need to at least question your reasons.

Kurono
10-21-2008, 08:49 PM
Maybe they do.

But some games just work better on a PC than a console imho. Like, personally, I prefer a mouse to two joysticks for FPS'.

Gwellin
10-21-2008, 09:22 PM
Like, personally, I prefer a mouse to two joysticks for FPS'.
I entirely agree, though I believe the Wiimote+Nunchuck is even, slightly, better. I can't wait for The Conduit.

Kurono
10-22-2008, 06:48 AM
I can't wait for The Conduit either. And maybe CoD: WaW but so far I haven't played a FPS for Wii. Not even MP3. I know, shameful. _dead_

Bobtastic715
10-22-2008, 05:46 PM
Hi, I'm a pc and I wear glasses :geek:

eternalflame34
10-22-2008, 09:39 PM
I'm a PC but recently my brother got a mac laptop and my other brother got a mac desktop. I have to say they are pretty cool. I realize this isn't about gaming, but my brother plays crysis on his mac and it is actually better than my PC. (although he has to run windows on his mac.) For whatever reason I also hate how apple always has to be smooth/sleek/stylish with the iblank, smooth colors, sleek shapes, and all that stuff.

Gwellin
10-23-2008, 12:56 AM
For whatever reason I also hate how apple always has to be smooth/sleek/stylish with the iblank, smooth colors, sleek shapes, and all that stuff.
So, what. You feel Macs shouldn't look good because it's an unfair advantage against other computers?

How about this, would you prefer (near) modern hardware in a two decade old case?
http://www.destruc.tv/images/minitosh/minitoshbanner.gif
[source (http://www.destruc.tv/minitosh.php)]

HiredGun
10-23-2008, 10:02 PM
You mac guys get real mad when someone questions them dont you :shock:

localretard
10-23-2008, 10:28 PM
You mac guys get real mad when someone questions them dont you :shock:

Nah dude, we just really dig the products haha.

Plus we find it the time to poke fun at mac as well as windows....because well...we have both, so what are you talking about? :lol:

BTW Gwellin...that pic....epic.

Ninboycl
10-23-2008, 10:31 PM
Same. the good thing about consoles are that u dont need to install/upgrade for games. so really u pplz who voted PC cuz ur a PC gamer need to at least question your reasons.
Buying a new graphics card and some ram is the same as buying a new console.

MSico
10-24-2008, 12:32 AM
Just because I use one doesn't mean I'm biased against the other. I'm unfamiliar with the OS and functionality but I like a lot of Apple products.

Their new commercials, which I guess are meant to strike back at the new PC ads, are really pissing me off though. They've crossed a line when they're no longer advertising for Mac and just advertising against Vista. Which, in my experience, not as many people use as XP. In a climate when we're already dealing with stupid political ads I could really use less negativity on my tv.

Gwellin
10-24-2008, 01:07 AM
Just because I use one doesn't mean I'm biased against the other. I'm unfamiliar with the OS and functionality but I like a lot of Apple products.

Their new commercials, which I guess are meant to strike back at the new PC ads, are really pissing me off though. They've crossed a line when they're no longer advertising for Mac and just advertising against Vista. Which, in my experience, not as many people use as XP. In a climate when we're already dealing with stupid political ads I could really use less negativity on my tv.
It seems like even a lot of Mac users agree with you Phil. I guess what they're trying to say is that Vista is the direction Microsoft is heading, and they aren't going back.

Vista was fluff added to XP. Windows 7 (yes, that's the official name not a code name) is suppose to be Vista with cloud computing.

Back to the commercials, what they're really poking at are the Seinfeld-Gates commercials, where they spent millions of dollars (I've heard Seinfeld alone got 40 mil) instead of supporting their product, then didn't even mention it. Unfortunately Apple just did the same thing, not mentioning their own product, and instead mentioned Vista much more. "I'm a Mac" doesn't count anymore because Mac and PC are just characters now, giving the same level of product association as Seinfeld and Gates. I don't think these are as bad as political commercials, but they should continue this method.

By the way all of the Mac vs. PC ads can be seen online: http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/




BTW Gwellin...that pic....epic.
Check the source Local, it's not just a pic, someone actually built a functioning Mac (from a Mac Mini) connected to the original Mac Classic black and white screen.

Overload
10-26-2008, 04:18 PM
PC

That video was hilarious

Sonic62
12-02-2008, 10:16 PM
Well, we got an iMac tonight. Should be interesting. :mrgreen:

localretard
12-02-2008, 11:47 PM
sweet....so sleek so smooth...

Gwellin
12-03-2008, 12:03 AM
Okay, lets take bets. How long until Sonic moves full time to Mac?

I'll put my money on four years.

http://jimgrey.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/monopoly_money.jpg

Cross-Warrior
12-03-2008, 12:04 AM
Okay, lets take bets. How long until Sonic moves full time to Mac?

I'll put my money on four years.

http://jimgrey.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/monopoly_money.jpg

ummm...Gwellin, sorry to disappoint you, but that money is...well...how do i say this, not real.

MSico
12-03-2008, 11:43 AM
It's fake money, just like Macs are fake PCs. :P OH SNICKITY SNAP

No, I'm just playing. Monopoly money is worth more at this point than the American dollar.

Mezix
12-03-2008, 04:19 PM
Well, we got an iMac tonight. Should be interesting. :mrgreen:
So... you liking OS X?

Diana3
12-03-2008, 05:40 PM
It's fake money, just like Macs are fake PCs. :P OH SNICKITY SNAP

No, I'm just playing. Monopoly money is worth more at this point than the American dollar.

In that case, I'm buying a new house with my billion dollars.

Sonic62
12-03-2008, 07:14 PM
Well, we got an iMac tonight. Should be interesting. :mrgreen:
So... you liking OS X?
I'll tell you when it's all set up and I get some time with it. :)

wiifan_362
12-03-2008, 10:13 PM
No, I'm just playing. Monopoly money is worth more at this point than the American dollar.


very true....

kmmgreen5
12-19-2008, 09:45 AM
Okay, lets take bets. How long until Sonic moves full time to Mac?

I'll put my money on four years.

http://jimgrey.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/monopoly_money.jpg

ummm...Gwellin, sorry to disappoint you, but that money is...well...how do i say this, not real.

It's fake money, just like Macs are fake PCs. :P OH SNICKITY SNAP

No, I'm just playing. Monopoly money is worth more at this point than the American dollar.

SNAP....SNAP SNAP

EternalKonata
12-29-2008, 01:55 PM
Long story short, my preference is Mac. :]

I like PCs, but my senior year in high school all of the core classes got sets of MacBooks to use. I guess the saying is moreso, Once you Mac, you don't go back. :] Haha. But really, I was worried about having to adjust to a completely new, not just upgraded OS but it wasn't to bad and I really enjoyed it(That is, aside from my friends and I taking really retarded pictures with the built in webcam).

And despite being a Mac fan, this video still made me lawl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLiyglcRcCA

Gwellin
12-29-2008, 02:30 PM
And despite being a Mac fan, this video still made me lawl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLiyglcRcCA
... Wow.





Glad to see another Mac user anyway.

mckma
12-29-2008, 07:08 PM
Umm...

Both? :?

I like both...

Kylethedarkn
01-03-2009, 02:10 PM
PC.

Though I would want a Mac just to use sometimes and play with. Wouldn't be able to use it regularly, because of the massive amount of 3rd party stuff I use that isn't Mac compatable.

whitemage730
01-03-2009, 11:33 PM
PC.

Though I would want a Mac just to use sometimes and play with. Wouldn't be able to use it regularly, because of the massive amount of 3rd party stuff I use that isn't Mac compatable.

My thoughts exactly... Too much 3rd party to have a Mac XD

killerwombat
01-04-2009, 04:58 PM
Macs are... just way behind PCs. Nothing is compatible with them. Plus whenever I used one, they were slower than a turtle pulling a 100 pound weight.

Diana3
01-04-2009, 05:02 PM
I've found that our mac handles (what little) ram it has very nicely. These anti-mac comments seem kind of harsh. :lol:

Aeronautical
01-04-2009, 05:03 PM
I've never owned a Mac before, so I wouldn't know if it operates better. I do like how they usually don't get viruses. But besides that, I probably shouldn't be making comparisons XP

zach2m1
01-04-2009, 05:26 PM
Isn't there like 1 virus or trogan for the Mac?

Ninboycl
01-04-2009, 06:56 PM
Isn't there like 1 virus or trogan for the Mac?
I'm sure there's more -_-

Gwellin
01-04-2009, 09:15 PM
Isn't there like 1 virus or trogan for the Mac?
I'm sure there's more -_-
There's only one, at least one that became semi-high profile, malware found in the wild (i.e. available from malicious sites). The thing is that it was something you had to download, mount and install before you were infected. The method of transfer? They said that to watch a porn video you would need to download a new video codec/player. So in other words it would have only affected complete idiots.



Macs are... just way behind PCs. Nothing is compatible with them. Plus whenever I used one, they were slower than a turtle pulling a 100 pound weight.
Define "nothing"? Because you are dead wrong. The only things that do not work on Macs, for the most part, are games, and you can boot in to Windows very easily when you want to play one. I am getting very tired of repeatedly having to correct blatant misconceptions. Please people, do some research before you start making comments like that.

EDIT: I want to clarify my statement. Most mainstream programs have Mac versions, those that don't have third party applications trying to emulate the functionality, sometimes better than the original. In the end you can find something to do anything a Windows machine can.

Diana3
01-04-2009, 09:22 PM
I actually find so much software that I want to use that's ONLY for macs. Then I curl into a ball and cry.

Kylethedarkn
01-05-2009, 01:45 PM
Price is another issue. Seeing as you can't really build a mac computer from scratch like you can with windows or linux. Well I mean you can but its amazingly hard and still expensive. Also I heard the new Abobe collection is laggy for some reason.

If I was rich I would have a mac. XD

localretard
01-05-2009, 01:59 PM
Price is another issue. Seeing as you can't really build a mac computer from scratch like you can with windows or linux. Well I mean you can but its amazingly hard and still expensive.

_objection_

Check this out (http://lifehacker.com/5122782/build-a-hackintosh-for-under-240)

Gwellin
01-05-2009, 01:59 PM
Price is another issue. Seeing as you can't really build a mac computer from scratch like you can with windows or linux. Well I mean you can but its amazingly hard and still expensive. Also I heard the new Abobe collection is laggy for some reason.
Here we go again. As I said in here (http://forums.thespeedgamers.com/viewtopic.php?p=4531#p4531), a few months ago, when accounting for the good quality components Macs use they not actually more expensive.

Also, I have had no issues with Adobe Creative Suite 4 on my MacBook Pro.



Meh... Either way- You pay more for macs then they are worth
Another common misconception. I recently read an article entitled "Are Macs More Expensive? Let’s Do the Math Once and For All (http://technologizer.com/2008/08/14/are-macs-more-expensive-lets-do-the-math-once-and-for-all/)". The writer took the low level (now previous generation) MacBook, then picked Windows systems with comparable hardware, with all exceptions detailed. Since I doubt you'll read the whole article (I didn't entirely) here are his results.

MacBook: $1299 (white case)
Dell XPS M1330: $1287 (including an “instant rebate” of $100)
HP dv4t: $1218.99 (including an “instant rebate” of $100)
Sony VGN-SR190: $1608.99

Macs aren't expensive for the sake of being expensive, in fact they're not really expensive at all. Also a licence for the ONE form of Mac OS X Operating System is cheaper than getting some Windows Super Ultimate Home Business Edition Vista, or something like that. Apple just doesn't release a computer model with +5 year old components as a budget price; that's what eBay is good for.

Aeronautical
01-05-2009, 04:41 PM
I have noticed that most Macs are pretty expensive. Also, it seems like only Macintosh makes Apple computers, as opposed to several companies that make Windows computers. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Mezix
01-05-2009, 04:53 PM
I have noticed that most Macs are pretty expensive. Also, it seems like only Macintosh makes Apple computers, as opposed to several companies that make Windows computers. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
I thought Macintosh was the name of Apple computers, and Apple made the computers.

Gwellin
01-05-2009, 05:03 PM
I have noticed that most Macs are pretty expensive. Also, it seems like only Macintosh makes Apple computers, as opposed to several companies that make Windows computers. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
I thought Macintosh was the name of Apple computers, and Apple made the computers.
Yes, Apple is the company, making Macintosh computers, and are the only ones who do. These computers, as of about three years ago, are full capable of being Windows machines though. The benefit of controlling the hardware is that the operating system is far less likely to have issues with said hardware.

The reason for Mac seeming expensive is that they upgrade their line every couple of years. They don't sell computers specs common five years ago, and as a result they don't have <$1,000 offerings. Take any computer available with modern specs and compare it to an equivalent Mac and the price will not be much different.

Kylethedarkn
01-05-2009, 11:18 PM
I have noticed that most Macs are pretty expensive. Also, it seems like only Macintosh makes Apple computers, as opposed to several companies that make Windows computers. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
I thought Macintosh was the name of Apple computers, and Apple made the computers.
Yes, Apple is the company, making Macintosh computers, and are the only ones who do. These computers, as of about three years ago, are full capable of being Windows machines though. The benefit of controlling the hardware is that the operating system is far less likely to have issues with said hardware.

The reason for Mac seeming expensive is that they upgrade their line every couple of years. They don't sell computers specs common five years ago, and as a result they don't have <$1,000 offerings. Take any computer available with modern specs and compare it to an equivalent Mac and the price will not be much different.
Macs are pretty average priced based on their quality, though there are not many sites like cyberpc where you can get a current amazing computer for around 500bucks. :\ Really I have looked at Macs and they are all in the $1000 dollar range. No way I'd spend that much on a computer just so I could have a new toy to play with. For me there are really no advantages that macs have over a pc. Seeing as I get viruses and then get rid of them in the span of about 3mins XD Anti-Malware Training FTW. And I have yet to get a BSoD that I haven't caused myself.

Though I agree Macs are innovative and amazing for the artsy and the stupid(Virus Getting People).

killerwombat
01-24-2009, 11:15 AM
Isn't there like 1 virus or trogan for the Mac?
I'm sure there's more -_-
There's only one, at least one that became semi-high profile, malware found in the wild (i.e. available from malicious sites). The thing is that it was something you had to download, mount and install before you were infected. The method of transfer? They said that to watch a porn video you would need to download a new video codec/player. So in other words it would have only affected complete idiots.



Macs are... just way behind PCs. Nothing is compatible with them. Plus whenever I used one, they were slower than a turtle pulling a 100 pound weight.
Define "nothing"? Because you are dead wrong. The only things that do not work on Macs, for the most part, are games, and you can boot in to Windows very easily when you want to play one. I am getting very tired of repeatedly having to correct blatant misconceptions. Please people, do some research before you start making comments like that.

EDIT: I want to clarify my statement. Most mainstream programs have Mac versions, those that don't have third party applications trying to emulate the functionality, sometimes better than the original. In the end you can find something to do anything a Windows machine can. The only macs that I have used are at my school, and they were way slow. Im not sure that it was just those ones, but they were. I say that nothing is compatible, cause most of programs that I like to use are made by other parties and dont work. I remember that just recently, I made a really awsome powerpoint with music and timing and stuff for a project,but when I out it onto the mac, it was just totally corrupted. the color was messed up, the music didnt work, and for some reason, it didnt run in the actual powerpoint program. What I had to do was redo it at school. I took pictures of all the clips and took the music and made it into a movie using the mac movie maker, whatever its called. I know that I may have seemed harsher than I meant to be, but I preffer PCs. Macs need work, but I think that if more third party things were compatible, had more ram and other memory, and if they were faster, then I would be a mac, but until then...
Im a PC, and I make AMVs.

Diana3
01-24-2009, 11:39 AM
*waits for Gwellin's rebuttal* ..... *checks watch* ....

fettouhi
01-24-2009, 11:50 AM
funny stuff

click here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No4GzXzNIY8)

localretard
01-24-2009, 11:52 AM
Macs need work, but I think that if more third party things were compatible, had more ram and other memory, and if they were faster, then I would be a mac, but until then...

Is it even worth wasting the time to type it?

I mean that's just totally ridiculous. Standard macs come with 2gb of ram expandable up to 4gb, as well as 250gb hdd standard expandable up to 320gb. There are a bazillion 3rd party programs out there, mac even have MS Office 2008, and if that doesn't tickle your fancy you can always use iWork.

Besides there are programs out there that allow you to run windows files on your mac, allow you to read/write to ntfs partitions, 3rd party printer drivers.....etc.

AND if all that wasn't enough...you can install windows on a separate partition...and it's easy to do! See if that's possible on a pc, I know there are hackintoshes out there...I just meant being easy to install OSX on a pc. I know it's not, because i've done it.

So before all of these misconceptions start spreading, you need more experience using a mac than just the hand-me-down macs they let you use at school. Nuff said.

Diana3
01-24-2009, 11:54 AM
Woah! Local saves the day! <3 <3 yay local!

*still really wants a macbook pro* :(

fettouhi
01-24-2009, 12:07 PM
I just don't understand why people switch to mac the system is not any stabler then windows the only reason is you want a cheap way to edit video and create music because you get ok tools for it with the system.

I used mac when I was working at a TV station. after effects and final cut pro. I have in the oder days used photoshop on it because it was the only system that had it.

today no one in the marketing business uses mac because it to expensive and it not any better then windows when we talk features of the same program. as for editing well premiere pro has alot of the same features as final cut pro and that what I use to make my video and after effects is supportet on both systems.

steve jobs saved apple in the mid 90 from total annihilation and what he did imo was doing great design and marketing it right but to me its still the same.

polish a turd its still a turd.

Gwellin
01-24-2009, 12:17 PM
Local does save the day, and Diana still needs her own Mac.

I wasn't in the mood to type something long out, so I'm glad Local did it for me. :P
EDIT: It never works, I still typed a lot.


Basically, killerwombat, you want to open a Powerpoint on a Mac... Did you EVER think that maybe, just maybe, Office wasn't installed on that particular computer? Go ahead, find a Windows machine without Office and try to open a Powerpoint file on it. What? You can't?! Every Windows machine can't open ANY of the files I need to use on!!! /sarcasm Honestly!

And by the way Preview on Macs CAN open Powerpoint from a clean install, not edit but you can view them.


Now, to reply to Fettouhi, people use Macs because they find them to be easier to use. If you don't agree, then that's your choice, I will not argue it. What I will argue is anyone saying "Macs can't do this, Macs can't do that" because they are always wrong. Macs can do most everything Windows can, and in some aspects more than Windows can. The default programs on a Mac mean not having to search for a lot of third party utilities for basic features like I have to on Windows.

Diana3
01-24-2009, 12:31 PM
Now, to reply to Fettouhi, people use Macs because they find them to be easier to use. If you don't agree, then that's your choice, I will not argue it. What I will argue is anyone saying "Macs can't do this, Macs can't do that" because they are always wrong. Macs can do most everything Windows can, and in some aspects more than Windows can. The default programs on a Mac mean not having to search for a lot of third party utilities for basic features like I have to on Windows.

I actually think my mac will be harder to use (bc I've been using PCs for my entire life, and I know there's going to be a learning period where I screw everything up :) ). I want one so I can try out all the awesome software I see every day that's mac-only. I've fallen in love with all of my Apple products, and I know I'd really like a macbook. I think it's the attention to every little detail that I like so much :D

Kilgard
01-24-2009, 01:41 PM
I would easily give up my PC for a Mac any day of the week, and as I've said before when it's time to upgrade again I'll be swapping to a Mac.

localretard
01-24-2009, 06:19 PM
I actually think my mac will be harder to use (bc I've been using PCs for my entire life, and I know there's going to be a learning period where I screw everything up :) ). I want one so I can try out all the awesome software I see every day that's mac-only. I've fallen in love with all of my Apple products, and I know I'd really like a macbook. I think it's the attention to every little detail that I like so much :D

That, in marketing, is called the Halo Effect. No Joke.

Anyway trust me Diana, it's not hard...I've used a PC all my life from Windows 3.11 up to Windows Vista. I got my Mac in June '08 and, you can ask Gwellin, I picked it up pretty fast...

It's not that much different really, there is still a right click...it's just Ctrl+Click...or right click on a external mouse. Yes you can use a pc mouse on a mac... There is still a properties window...it's just called "Get Info". Just basically renaming and different keys...that's really it.

@Fettouhi

What Steve Jobs did in the mid 90's was, yes give it a sleek design and yes market it right, but your wrong it's not the same as it was in the mid 90's. The macs of today have made great strides to improve their market share by allowing what windows has onto the mac. They improved the chipsets which allows for windows to run on a mac, that is a killer point. They have mid to high range graphics cards in them to allow for gaming and video editing. They are just, plain said, more functional then they were in the mid-90's.

And I've seen plenty of businesses use mac computers, in fact when I was an electrician, I had to fix the power for a marketing company that ONLY used macs. They worked on macs and they had a mac servers.

The only reason people find them expensive is because they don't make low end models with cheap parts like Acer/HP/Dell do. The macs are comparable to the higher end models of the afore mention companies. As Gwellin stated, compare a mac to any computer with the same specs and they are not more expensive...you get what you pay for, which is high end parts.

Therefore you are saying if you polish a high end hp/acer/dell...etc then it's a turd?

If you just don't like the OS that's one thing, and I will not argue, but to say they are expensive is another. They are regularly priced for what you get. but you won't find a $500 mac, unless it's a mac-mini....do they even make those anymore?

fettouhi
01-24-2009, 06:47 PM
why do you assume that I'm comparing it to low end models ?

I have a x61s IBM laptop witch is a high end business model and its still cheaper then a mac on the same level.

anyways what I'm saying is what the big seller is the design of the laptops. shinny and slim and all that crap but it has the same problems as a windows laptop and the other way around.

the big seller is the marketing and that they are trying to make it look better then it is.

we have some users at work that have mac (god know why) and we have consent trouble with them coming asking for access to are printers and its always a pain. a simple TCP print setup is not wasy to get to work on a mac for some reason. all that appletalk, boujor thing is not working and I don't see why apple is trying to force this crap on people. linux at least uses the same protocols so there no problems there.

no system is perfect and apple and MS try to make money. if you look at them both then they suck because they can satisfy every one.

localretard
01-24-2009, 07:03 PM
why do you assume that I'm comparing it to low end models ?

I have a x61s IBM laptop witch is a high end business model and its still cheaper then a mac on the same level.

anyways what I'm saying is what the big seller is the design of the laptops. shinny and slim and all that crap but it has the same problems as a windows laptop and the other way around.

the big seller is the marketing and that they are trying to make it look better then it is.

we have some users at work that have mac (god know why) and we have consent trouble with them coming asking for access to are printers and its always a pain. a simple TCP print setup is not wasy to get to work on a mac for some reason. all that appletalk, boujor thing is not working and I don't see why apple is trying to force this crap on people. linux at least uses the same protocols so there no problems there.

no system is perfect and apple and MS try to make money. if you look at them both then they suck because they can satisfy every one.

Specs for the IBM please :)

And yes Aesthetics is a big selling point to any laptop manufacturer.

The same could be said about Windows, why are they forcing their TCP print setup on us when they could just use bonjour, which is available for windows...not sure about linux though which I know some servers are. But this is from a printer my friend has, and it's installed on my Mac


hpip://192.168.1.111:Photosmart%20C4380%20series/2:0.1b.78.dc.ab.ef

And your right if you have no opinion then both the macs and pcs do suck...lol...but sadly no one is like that. Not even the dreaded linux fans...*glares* :lol:

fettouhi
01-24-2009, 07:12 PM
its easier to face the fact that they both suck and get on with it instead of just keep arguing about things that you will never agree on.

if you want the specs google is your friend :D

localretard
01-24-2009, 07:30 PM
its easier to face the fact that they both suck and get on with it instead of just keep arguing about things that you will never agree on.

if you want the specs google is your friend :D

True true...

But I'm calling you out Fettouhi.

Specs (http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087&current-category-id=2D07A76B547E4B28A678EA089EF892A3)

Those are not comparable to a mac. No bluetooth, 12.1 screen, no wireless N card, and 1gb of ram...for $1,079? upping those to what a mac has would easily mac the price shoot up to those of a mac.

Just saying.

fettouhi
01-24-2009, 07:38 PM
oh I'm really sorry that mac does not make laptops for traveling but why do you insist of talking hardware when its the operation system that is the big key ??

oh and it has bluetooth don't know where you read that but is has.

mac, ibm, dell, hp what ever its all CISC processors today its the same. let stick to the topic and talk about OS because that what the hole thing is about and I still say that they both suck.

Gwellin
01-24-2009, 08:31 PM
let stick to the topic and talk about OS because that what the hole thing is about and I still say that they both suck.
Well, when talking about Macs that includes the hardware side, especially since you cannot easily put Mac OS X on non-Apple hardware.

After our... conversation on Vent I will agree to disagree though.

fettouhi
01-24-2009, 08:36 PM
fine by me its all good for me what I'm just say is that its really the OS where it is if people can't see that the prices are almost the same when you compare them well there is really nothing you can do about that.

localretard
01-24-2009, 09:26 PM
For those who need a little quick recap.

My argument was that people think that macs are expensive, but they are not when compared to those with the same or comparable hardware.

Fettouhi's argument was that both OS's suck.

----------------

My argument was fact.

Fettouhi's was non-arguable because it's an opinion.

Stalemate = We agree to disagree lol.

brightsidelink
01-25-2009, 01:19 AM
PC. I'm never going mac.

Not that I hate Apple, I like my Ipod Classic.

I just...don't have need or want for a mac.

MSico
01-25-2009, 03:42 PM
*eats Beefaroni from out of the can and watches*

01-25-2009, 03:45 PM
MacOSX
*thumbs up*
for better use on ustream and other websites
also has fast internet
I agree with local and he will approves this message

Sonic62
01-28-2009, 08:15 PM
Lately I can't watch anyone's stream on any of my Windows, so I have no choice but to use Mac.

empressdonna
02-08-2009, 09:41 AM
[if this counts as necromancing, please delete this post]

I have both a PC and a macbook pro. I haven't got linux as a dual boot, but I have used it before.

All the Operating Systems have their good and bad sides, but most of those can be fixed with a dual boot of the other system for example Mac has a lack of games, so you can easily use bootcamp or parrells and run windows so you have all the games choices from a PC but have all the things you like about a mac also.

Personally I prefer my windows, but I do adore my mac also.

Sonic62
02-11-2009, 01:56 AM
[if this counts as necromancing, please delete this post]
I don't think I've ever seen anyone get in trouble for that here, so I wouldn't worry. It hasn't been that long since the last post anyway.

MSico
02-11-2009, 12:22 PM
Besides, necromancy is the awesomest branch of science.

Bobtastic715
03-25-2009, 06:51 PM
Hi, I'm Bobtastic and I'm a pc.

YalWerdna
03-25-2009, 06:53 PM
PC all the way.

Ziggybomb
03-25-2009, 09:00 PM
I'm Ziggybomb and I'm a Mac Forever! _awesome_

(we really need Apple and Windows smilies Gwellin)

Kylethedarkn
03-26-2009, 05:21 PM
Macs are easy to use. Then again so is windows.

Macs try and do everything for you, and windows just lets you do everything yourself.

Mac has compatability issues in the sense that you cannot custom build a mac as easily or cheaply as you can a Linux or Windows computer.

Macs are fun, but more fun than practicle, in the sense that yes you can find a way to do most everything on a mac that you can on a windows, but seeing as the world designs for Windows more than mac its harder.

I would love to have a Mac, but If I had a choice between a 1000 dollar Mac and a 1000 dollar Windows/Linux computer I would take the Linux/Windows computer.

Gwellin
03-26-2009, 05:37 PM
Wow Kyle, such ignorance.

I have yet to see my Mac do anything for me that I didn't want it to do. What I do want done however is often simplified and not requiring the tedious steps I would need to follow on my Windows machine.

I have gone over customization options before, and yes, you are generally limited, however the components are of a good quality and will last you longer than a generic Dell machine.

So, Macs are impractical, how am I able to get all my work done on my Mac with far greater ease than a year ago suffering through crappy Windows programs? The world designs for Windows? Good, I'd rather all the terrible developers and designers stick to bloating up Windows than break the series the generally smooth and simple programs I can find easily for the Mac.

Again, cost is something I've gone over before (http://forums.thespeedgamers.com/viewtopic.php?p=4531#p4531). Have you seen the new MacMini (http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html) however? That is a bang for one's buck right there.

RobZombie
03-26-2009, 05:40 PM
Windows FTW :)

Kylethedarkn
03-26-2009, 06:09 PM
Wow Kyle, such ignorance.

I have yet to see my Mac do anything for me that I didn't want it to do. What I do want done however is often simplified and not requiring the tedious steps I would need to follow on my Windows machine.

I have gone over customization options before, and yes, you are generally limited, however the components are of a good quality and will last you longer than a generic Dell machine.

So, Macs are impractical, how am I able to get all my work done on my Mac with far greater ease than a year ago suffering through crappy Windows programs? The world designs for Windows? Good, I'd rather all the terrible developers and designers stick to bloating up Windows than break the series the generally smooth and simple programs I can find easily for the Mac.

Again, cost is something I've gone over before (http://forums.thespeedgamers.com/viewtopic.php?p=4531#p4531). Have you seen the new MacMini (http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html) however? That is a bang for one's buck right there.

Oh yes the company built macs are better than company built windows. Custom computers could be made better though.

Impractical for my anyways. :P

That is a pretty good deal right there, however that isn't including the monitor, which from the looks of it has to be High Def Hdmi. And the tiny hard drive, but that not a big deal.

Gwellin
03-26-2009, 06:29 PM
Oh yes the company built macs are better than company built windows. Custom computers could be made better though.

Impractical for my anyways. :P

That is a pretty good deal right there, however that isn't including the monitor, which from the looks of it has to be High Def Hdmi. And the tiny hard drive, but that not a big deal.
What do you use your computer for which would make a Mac impractical?

The Mac mini has mini-DVI and mini display, not HDMI. The cables you connect to those can go to standard VGA, DVI (cable included), RCA, S-Video, Component or HDMI. The resolutions supported go from 640x480 through 1080p then up higher to 2560x1600. It is a standard computer in a small shell, which will support any USB mouse or keyboard and any monitor.

EDIT: Phil told me that you were wondering how much the Mac mini costs. On the Apple Store (http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MB464LL/A?mco=NDE4Mzg5OA) they're listed $599.00 (1 GiB RAM - 120 GB HD) and $799.00 (2 GiB RAM - 320 GB HD).

RobZombie
03-26-2009, 06:37 PM
I like Microsoft :)

Kylethedarkn
03-26-2009, 06:55 PM
Oh yes the company built macs are better than company built windows. Custom computers could be made better though.

Impractical for my anyways. :P

That is a pretty good deal right there, however that isn't including the monitor, which from the looks of it has to be High Def Hdmi. And the tiny hard drive, but that not a big deal.
What do you use your computer for which would make a Mac impractical?

The Mac mini has mini-DVI and mini display, not HDMI. The cables you connect to those can go to standard VGA, DVI (cable included), RCA, S-Video, Component or HDMI. The resolutions supported go from 640x480 through 1080p then up higher to 2560x1600. It is a standard computer in a small shell, which will support any USB mouse or keyboard and any monitor.

EDIT: Phil told me that you were wondering how much the Mac mini costs. On the Apple Store (http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MB464LL/A?mco=NDE4Mzg5OA) they're listed $599.00 (1 GiB RAM - 120 GB HD) and $799.00 (2 GiB RAM - 320 GB HD).

Um well for one gaming. I've found in ways of emulators, regular games, and stuff like that, macs are incompatable. Yes I know you can do a virtual boot for that, but like I said everything can be done its just trickier.

Then there's third party stuff I use like utorrent, video capture software(from my cap card which wouldn't be compatable with mac. XD), programs I get from time to time that easily convert things or like a youtube video downloader.

My mp3 player software would work.

No FL Studio for mac, yes there is garageband and others, but I find FL Studio to be the easiest to use.

Stuff like that. Like I said, I'd love to have one, but I don't see myself using it regularly.

Gwellin
03-26-2009, 07:14 PM
There are virtual solutions, but don't forget you can dual boot in to Windows proper for the few cases you need it. Also, uTorrent is on Mac.

Nuclear_Oat
04-02-2009, 05:24 PM
Well the PC will pretty much always win with businessmen and games (of course) but for the arts (music and videos etc.) Mac wins overall.

I voted PC of course _awesome_

Ziggybomb
04-03-2009, 09:34 PM
-_- ... Why can't the world run on Mac, we'd be so much better off that way...

04-03-2009, 11:22 PM
-_- ... Why can't the world run on Mac, we'd be so much better off that way...
Yes we would _awesome_

Sonic62
04-06-2009, 12:26 AM
-_- ... Why can't the world run on Mac, we'd be so much better off that way...
Nah, it'd be so confusing.

puregamer123
04-06-2009, 03:34 AM
I like to look at Mac vs PC like cars:

a PC is a normal car. It can drive on normal roads. It's not cheap, nor expencive. It's a rather common car.

a Mac would then be a new type of car that is 1m long and 4m wide. The car therefore needs special roads, and if the world is going to mass produce these cars, every road needs to be rebuilt. Also, this car is pretty expencive.

U guessed it... I voted PC

localretard
04-06-2009, 07:08 AM
I like to look at Mac vs PC like cars:

a PC is a normal car. It can drive on normal roads. It's not cheap, nor expencive. It's a rather common car.

a Mac would then be a new type of car that is 1m long and 4m wide. The car therefore needs special roads, and if the world is going to mass produce these cars, every road needs to be rebuilt. Also, this car is pretty expencive.

U guessed it... I voted PC

That analogy makes no sense...honestly.

Phantom
04-06-2009, 08:24 AM
I like to look at Mac vs PC like cars:

a PC is a normal car. It can drive on normal roads. It's not cheap, nor expencive. It's a rather common car.

a Mac would then be a new type of car that is 1m long and 4m wide. The car therefore needs special roads, and if the world is going to mass produce these cars, every road needs to be rebuilt. Also, this car is pretty expencive.

U guessed it... I voted PC
But then a PC is a very cheap car, which breaks down within minutes of driving it!

A mac would then be an amazing car that would break down within 80 years.

See, my post makes no sense as well. ^^;;

Gwellin
04-06-2009, 10:45 AM
I like to look at Mac vs PC like cars:

a PC is a normal car. It can drive on normal roads. It's not cheap, nor expencive. It's a rather common car.

a Mac would then be a new type of car that is 1m long and 4m wide. The car therefore needs special roads, and if the world is going to mass produce these cars, every road needs to be rebuilt. Also, this car is pretty expencive.

U guessed it... I voted PC
But then a PC is a very cheap car, which breaks down within minutes of driving it!

A mac would then be an amazing car that would break down within 80 years.

See, my post makes no sense as well. ^^;;
Phantom made perfect sense to me, when put in very loose context with the previous one. :S


I think a better car analogy would be that a "PC" (Windows machine) is a car company that builds everything from the beat up lemons to monster trucks. For every type of vehicle the parts used inside vary greatly in quality, some dependable, others not.

The Mac, builds a handful of vehicle models geared toward particular uses. The parts inside are standardized and generally dependable. If something breaks then other people have likely experienced the same issue and has found a fix.

Ziggybomb
04-06-2009, 11:04 AM
Phantom made perfect sense to me, when put in very loose context with the previous one. :S


I think a better car analogy would be that a "PC" (Windows machine) is a car company that builds everything from the beat up lemons to monster trucks. For every type of vehicle the parts used inside vary greatly in quality, some dependable, others not.

The Mac, builds a handful of vehicle models geared toward particular uses. The parts inside are standardized and generally dependable. If something breaks then other people have likely experienced the same issue and has found a fix.

Very Nicely put! However, you're forgetting that the Mac is a transformer and can turn into a Windows car every time it parks _awesome_

Gwellin
04-06-2009, 11:13 AM
Very Nicely put! However, you're forgetting that the Mac is a transformer and can turn into a Windows car every time it parks _awesome_
Touché. :lol:

puregamer123
04-13-2009, 07:43 AM
haha:P what I meant is that Apple is idiot because you cant run old, good programs. Mac needs new versions of those programs. I hate to use a machine which has those kind of limitations...

But this is only my thought... It would be different if I only used my computer for writing documents and watching movies and browsing the internet. I like to use special programs and playing games. Mac doesn't help me doing that.

localretard
04-13-2009, 07:51 AM
haha:P what I meant is that Apple is idiot because you cant run old, good programs. Mac needs new versions of those programs. I hate to use a machine which has those kind of limitations...

Very similar to how you get XP/Vista to run old programs (compatibility mode), Apple has the same...it's called Rosetta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_%2 ... oftware%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_%28binary_translation_software%29))


But this is only my thought... It would be different if I only used my computer for writing documents and watching movies and browsing the internet. I like to use special programs and playing games. Mac doesn't help me doing that.
...Oh how misinformed people are...

Gwellin
04-13-2009, 10:31 AM
... I'm not even going to bother replying...

Darn it, I did.


Thanks Local, I've had enough rants in this topic already.

Qmiser
04-13-2009, 10:37 AM
Ummmm I use both, but I voted Mac because I use it more than my Windows machine...

Gwellin
04-13-2009, 10:38 AM
Ummmm I use both, but I voted Mac because I use it more than my Windows machine...
A smart man. :P

Qmiser
04-13-2009, 10:40 AM
Ummmm I use both, but I voted Mac because I use it more than my Windows machine...
A smart man. :P
Smart that I voted Mac or smart because I use both?

Gwellin
04-13-2009, 10:42 AM
Smart that I voted Mac or smart because I use both?
Well, I meant using Mac at all. After all the people who hate Macs from using it for a few minutes it is nice to see someone who actually gives them credit.

Qmiser
04-13-2009, 10:48 AM
Well, I meant using Mac at all. After all the people who hate Macs from using it for a few minutes it is nice to see someone who actually gives them credit.
Yea that's true. I mean, there are plenty of things that bug me (like being unable to download the OSX 10.5.6 update :evil: ), but there are lot of things they do well and I give them credit for that. I still use my windows machine for a lot of things though, and I feel that using both makes me a better geek :ugeek: So go me for using both!

04-13-2009, 10:49 AM
come on we all know mac is _awesome_
i actually have a windows machin (well my dad's laptop, my mom's laptop, and the home computer)
but i never bother to even touch them :P

Kylethedarkn
04-13-2009, 01:50 PM
Oh btw can you make that top bar on a mac go away? Like completely remove it? Cuz I hate how that becomes the menu bar for whatever program you open up. For example when I have a minimized window open I have to go all the way up there for the file menu.

Gwellin
04-13-2009, 02:02 PM
Oh btw can you make that top bar on a mac go away? Like completely remove it? Cuz I hate how that becomes the menu bar for whatever program you open up. For example when I have a minimized window open I have to go all the way up there for the file menu.
No, that's fundamental to how Macs are built. One menu bar at the very top. Personally I like it, but there may be utilities to change that somewhere on the web.

localretard
04-13-2009, 02:15 PM
Oh btw can you make that top bar on a mac go away? Like completely remove it? Cuz I hate how that becomes the menu bar for whatever program you open up. For example when I have a minimized window open I have to go all the way up there for the file menu.

You can not get rid of it completely, otherwise where would the programs file menu go?

However there are programs out there to "hide" the top menu bar. They basically just make the menu bar transparent.

Kylethedarkn
04-13-2009, 02:38 PM
Oh btw can you make that top bar on a mac go away? Like completely remove it? Cuz I hate how that becomes the menu bar for whatever program you open up. For example when I have a minimized window open I have to go all the way up there for the file menu.

You can not get rid of it completely, otherwise where would the programs file menu go?

However there are programs out there to "hide" the top menu bar. They basically just make the menu bar transparent.
Gotcha. Oh and I want there to be an option so that the programs file menu is in the window of the program. XD

Jamesdh17
04-13-2009, 02:52 PM
Gotcha. Oh and I want there to be an option so that the programs file menu is in the window of the program. XD
You are complaining about the thing i got used to the easiest.

i used a pc all my life and made the switch to mac about a month or two ago i don't really remember xD, I want to get a pc cd so i can run bootcamp but that could take a while (reasons for needing bootcamp are "gaming" and "sony vegas") i find that a lot of people who hate on the mac have actually never used one which i find extremely funny compared to the mac users who have used a pc a lot and just don't like it compared to mac.

Example: A friend of mine at the beginning of the school year was hating on mac even though he never even used one while just 2 weeks ago he used one and fell in love with it.

Other then a "Few" programs i can't use on mac without bootcamp i think this apple has built a awesome OS.

localretard
04-13-2009, 03:03 PM
Oh btw can you make that top bar on a mac go away? Like completely remove it? Cuz I hate how that becomes the menu bar for whatever program you open up. For example when I have a minimized window open I have to go all the way up there for the file menu.

You can not get rid of it completely, otherwise where would the programs file menu go?

However there are programs out there to "hide" the top menu bar. They basically just make the menu bar transparent.
Gotcha. Oh and I want there to be an option so that the programs file menu is in the window of the program. XD

So you basically want your OS X to be Windows? Seems logical...*cough*

While we're at it, let's just remove all the kernels in OS X and Linux for that matter, and replace them with DLL's, Let's remove Steve Jobs from the equation and put Bill Gates in his place...Oh yeah, that right he retired. Remove that clunky Dock system and replace it with a list of programs right off the start menu.

Let's all support HD-DVD too!

Kylethedarkn
04-13-2009, 03:12 PM
Gotcha. Oh and I want there to be an option so that the programs file menu is in the window of the program. XD

So you basically want your OS X to be Windows? Seems logical...*cough*

While we're at it, let's just remove all the kernels in OS X and Linux for that matter, and replace them with DLL's, Let's remove Steve Jobs from the equation and put Bill Gates in his place...Oh yeah, that's right he retired. Remove that clunky Dock system and replace it with a list of programs right off the start menu.

Let's all support HD-DVD too!

No, it just doesn't make sense to have it that far away from what your working with.

And the only problem I've had with a dock is it popping up in front of a desktop icon I want to click. :P

localretard
04-13-2009, 03:19 PM
Gotcha. Oh and I want there to be an option so that the programs file menu is in the window of the program. XD

So you basically want your OS X to be Windows? Seems logical...*cough*

While we're at it, let's just remove all the kernels in OS X and Linux for that matter, and replace them with DLL's, Let's remove Steve Jobs from the equation and put Bill Gates in his place...Oh yeah, that's right he retired. Remove that clunky Dock system and replace it with a list of programs right off the start menu.

Let's all support HD-DVD too!

No, it just doesn't make sense to have it that far away from what your working with.

And the only problem I've had with a dock is it popping up in front of a desktop icon I want to click. :P

Well if it's minimized you don't need the file menu anyway. Also about the dock, shrink the dock or turn off magnification, simple as that.

Ziggybomb
04-13-2009, 07:02 PM
*cracks knuckles* Ok, I was gonna stay out of it...but Ziggy has joined the fight for Mac!

No, it just doesn't make sense to have it that far away from what your working with.

And the only problem I've had with a dock is it popping up in front of a desktop icon I want to click. :P

It's not that far from what your working with, even if it's at the bottom of the screen...Use Your Muscles! Stretch all the way up there and click Menu!

Also, if the dock is bothering you, move it to the left and make it smaller. Oh! But Windows people generally have icons on the left. pshh!

iHeart_Absol
04-14-2009, 08:35 AM
I have to say, and this may make Gwellin proud, that this macbook I am on right now is pretty sweet XD At least the school's internet is actually useful today O.o

04-14-2009, 08:44 AM
I have to say, and this may make Gwellin proud, that this macbook I am on right now is pretty sweet XD At least the school's internet is actually useful today O.o
yay Absol! :D
what else do you expect from Apple _awesome_

iHeart_Absol
04-14-2009, 08:48 AM
I have to say, and this may make Gwellin proud, that this macbook I am on right now is pretty sweet XD At least the school's internet is actually useful today O.o
yay Absol! :D
what else do you expect from Apple _awesome_


Hmmm...a mechanism that transports real food through the internet and allows me to grab it out of the screen. Then I would be sold _awesome_

*watches too much Charlie and the Chocolate Factory*

RyanThePerson
04-14-2009, 11:22 AM
My god, I'm the only one that voted for Linux? You all sicken me...

Kylethedarkn
04-14-2009, 03:04 PM
My god, I'm the only one that voted for Linux? You all sicken me...
Its good, I just never saw any advantages of it, plus I didn't know how to fully work it. Plus program porting. Other than that, its great.

Ziggybomb
04-17-2009, 08:21 AM
Linux is more for programmers and people that need a pretty open system to work with, and I really don't need that at the moment. Someday I plan on dual booting my MacBook with Ubuntu just to play with it and get more familiar with the Linux operating system.

Aeronautical
04-17-2009, 05:47 PM
I don't really have much of a preference. I'm used to windows, but I do like the interfaces for Macs more. Especially all the fun things to mess around with.

megaflyman
04-30-2009, 08:46 PM
I use Windows xp. I would like to try out a mac if I ever have the money but I will all ways need a powerful windows desktop around for some pc gaming but unfortunately my computer has not been good for that since my good video card died. I would also like to try linux but since I only have one computer at this point in time i will don't want to take a change with a due boot. I plan on running ubuntu on my current pc after I upgrade to a gaming pc.

On another not I am worried about microsoft controlling over 90% of operating systems. I don't like how one computation controlling so many computers.

Kylethedarkn
04-30-2009, 09:04 PM
I use Windows xp. I would like to try out a mac if I ever have the money but I will all ways need a powerful windows desktop around for some pc gaming but unfortunately my computer has not been good for that since my good video card died. I would also like to try linux but since I only have one computer at this point in time i will don't want to take a change with a due boot. I plan on running ubuntu on my current pc after I upgrade to a gaming pc.

On another not I am worried about microsoft controlling over 90% of operating systems. I don't like how one computation controlling so many computers.
Microsoft already got sued once for being a monopoly, but its just how things work out. Companies pick an OS to make their software for and and people pick that OS, so one company is usually a monopoly in the end.

localretard
04-30-2009, 09:23 PM
I use Windows xp. I would like to try out a mac if I ever have the money but I will all ways need a powerful windows desktop around for some pc gaming but unfortunately my computer has not been good for that since my good video card died. I would also like to try linux but since I only have one computer at this point in time i will don't want to take a change with a due boot. I plan on running ubuntu on my current pc after I upgrade to a gaming pc.

On another not I am worried about microsoft controlling over 90% of operating systems. I don't like how one computation controlling so many computers.
Microsoft already got sued once for being a monopoly, but its just how things work out. Companies pick an OS to make their software for and and people pick that OS, so one company is usually a monopoly in the end.

Bigger companies usually pick multiple OS's...*cough* like Adobe. Even Microsoft makes software for multiple OS's

Also in addition to the monopoly charges...they were concerned about IE being prepackaged with Windows...because it gave them an unfair advantage in the browser wars. I wish they would have destroyed IE then.

Kylethedarkn
04-30-2009, 09:35 PM
I use Windows xp. I would like to try out a mac if I ever have the money but I will all ways need a powerful windows desktop around for some pc gaming but unfortunately my computer has not been good for that since my good video card died. I would also like to try linux but since I only have one computer at this point in time i will don't want to take a change with a due boot. I plan on running ubuntu on my current pc after I upgrade to a gaming pc.

On another not I am worried about microsoft controlling over 90% of operating systems. I don't like how one computation controlling so many computers.
Microsoft already got sued once for being a monopoly, but its just how things work out. Companies pick an OS to make their software for and and people pick that OS, so one company is usually a monopoly in the end.

Bigger companies usually pick multiple OS's...*cough* like Adobe. Even Microsoft makes software for multiple OS's

Also in addition to the monopoly charges...they were concerned about IE being prepackaged with Windows...because it gave them an unfair advantage in the browser wars. I wish they would have destroyed IE then.
I thought Netscape was being packaged or something?

xfisjmg1
05-05-2009, 08:06 PM
I used a PC all of my life up until I bought a Macbook in the summer of '07—easily one of the best decisions of my life. Mac OS X isn't perfect, but it's leaps and bounds ahead of Windows, and I've found no reason to ever go back.

My biggest problem with Macs is the price: they are expensive, yes, but they are also overpriced. You pay for the sleek Apple case, the logo, and the OS, but that's it. All the parts inside are PC parts. For this reason, I actually built my own Mac about a month ago for about half the price. I also have a drive with a Windows 7 partition: hey, Macs don't play games, and I can admit that :P

LegendOfCookies
05-05-2009, 08:19 PM
PCs are Betuhhh BETTER FOR NERD STUFF PICK ME!!!... Pick me and i'll go Yippie!

Kylethedarkn
05-05-2009, 09:19 PM
PCs are Betuhhh BETTER FOR NERD STUFF PICK ME!!!... Pick me and i'll go Yippie!
What?

Gwellin
05-05-2009, 09:26 PM
PCs are Betuhhh BETTER FOR NERD STUFF PICK ME!!!... Pick me and i'll go Yippie!
What?
http://i.current.com/swf/pods/supernews/mac_vs_pc.swf

Jamesdh17
05-05-2009, 09:30 PM
hey, Macs don't play games, and I can admit that :P
Even though i don't have a windows xp cd i can still safely say that's what bootcamp is for. :lol:



PCs are Betuhhh BETTER FOR NERD STUFF PICK ME!!!... Pick me and i'll go Yippie!
What?

Let this be a lesson to all the younger members of the forums, don't do drugs. :lol:



PCs are Betuhhh BETTER FOR NERD STUFF PICK ME!!!... Pick me and i'll go Yippie!
What?
http://i.current.com/swf/pods/supernews/mac_vs_pc.swf
Even more reasons why.

Kylethedarkn
05-06-2009, 05:19 AM
PCs are Betuhhh BETTER FOR NERD STUFF PICK ME!!!... Pick me and i'll go Yippie!
What?
http://i.current.com/swf/pods/supernews/mac_vs_pc.swf
Lol. "Iphone *#*$#*@!" *hits with lightsaber.

killerwombat
05-06-2009, 11:00 AM
What is Linex good for? I dont know too much about it. Whats it like?

Trinton07
05-22-2009, 08:36 PM
I don't even have a mac but I voted for it simple because of how awsome it seems. Not like all PC's are horrible or anything, mines pretty bad though :P

Luigi110
06-17-2009, 04:29 PM
I only like XP. I'm not into Vista.

I've always wanted to try a Mac. Never had the funds for it though.

Exclamation Point
06-18-2009, 09:27 PM
I use a PC and switch between XP and Ubuntu, Windows 2000 at school. I have this amazing ability to destroy Macs the moment my hands touch the keyboard.
Honestly, I've never had so many, "I-I've never seen this before... what did you do?!" before. Needless to say, I'm banned from the TV Production lab.

localretard
06-18-2009, 09:32 PM
I use a PC and switch between XP and Ubuntu, Windows 2000 at school. I have this amazing ability to destroy Macs the moment my hands touch the keyboard.
Honestly, I've never had so many, "I-I've never seen this before... what did you do?!" before. Needless to say, I'm banned from the TV Production lab.
...This isn't you is it?

http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/02/12-y ... e-touches/ (http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/02/12-year-old-magneto-man-breaks-every-computer-he-touches/)

Exclamation Point
06-18-2009, 09:37 PM
I use a PC and switch between XP and Ubuntu, Windows 2000 at school. I have this amazing ability to destroy Macs the moment my hands touch the keyboard.
Honestly, I've never had so many, "I-I've never seen this before... what did you do?!" before. Needless to say, I'm banned from the TV Production lab.
...This isn't you is it?

http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/02/12-y ... e-touches/ (http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/02/12-year-old-magneto-man-breaks-every-computer-he-touches/)

Haha! Oh wow, I haven't laughed so hard all day. Man, I wish I was that kid.
(I also break iPods, but manage to save all other MP3 players from certain destruction)

Kylethedarkn
06-18-2009, 09:40 PM
[quote="Exclamation Point":p4amtogw]I use a PC and switch between XP and Ubuntu, Windows 2000 at school. I have this amazing ability to destroy Macs the moment my hands touch the keyboard.
Honestly, I've never had so many, "I-I've never seen this before... what did you do?!" before. Needless to say, I'm banned from the TV Production lab.
...This isn't you is it?

http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/02/12-y ... e-touches/ (http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/02/12-year-old-magneto-man-breaks-every-computer-he-touches/)

Haha! Oh wow, I haven't laughed so hard all day. Man, I wish I was that kid.
(I also break iPods, but manage to save all other MP3 players from certain destruction)[/quote:p4amtogw]
Yeah, but all you have to do to break an ipod, is look at it funny and the screen shatters. Worst innovation ever.

localretard
06-19-2009, 02:24 AM
Hmm funny. Zune are kinda worse though, if you try and play a song...it won't work. If you try to play the radio...it won't work. If you try and connect to another zune...it won't work. You try and use the software..it won't work.

It essentially is garbage. _awesome_

Sonic62
06-19-2009, 03:07 AM
Hmm funny. Zune are kinda worse though, if you try and play a song...it won't work. If you try to play the radio...it won't work. If you try and connect to another zune...it won't work. You try and use the software..it won't work.

It essentially is garbage. _awesome_
Does it actually DO anything? _ninja_

Qmiser
06-19-2009, 04:24 AM
Hmm funny. Zune are kinda worse though, if you try and play a song...it won't work. If you try to play the radio...it won't work. If you try and connect to another zune...it won't work. You try and use the software..it won't work.

It essentially is garbage. _awesome_
Does it actually DO anything? _ninja_
That's a LIE! My Zune worked fine for a long time. It even survived Y2K9 where all the first gen Zunes stopped working. The only reason why I don't have it still is because is was stolen... which sucks. But it does work, trust me, I know.

localretard
06-19-2009, 08:09 AM
Hmm funny. Zune are kinda worse though, if you try and play a song...it won't work. If you try to play the radio...it won't work. If you try and connect to another zune...it won't work. You try and use the software..it won't work.

It essentially is garbage. _awesome_
Does it actually DO anything? _ninja_
That's a LIE! My Zune worked fine for a long time. It even survived Y2K9 where all the first gen Zunes stopped working. The only reason why I don't have it still is because is was stolen... which sucks. But it does work, trust me, I know.

Hah I was just poking fun at Microsoft like Kyle poked fun at Apple. It was all in good fun Qmiser...it was serious :P

Kylethedarkn
06-19-2009, 08:29 AM
Hmm funny. Zune are kinda worse though, if you try and play a song...it won't work. If you try to play the radio...it won't work. If you try and connect to another zune...it won't work. You try and use the software..it won't work.

It essentially is garbage. _awesome_
I agree. Zune's are garbage too. XD

Creative is where its at.

bobo_dude16
06-19-2009, 09:18 AM
My cousin loves his zune. He got it to work and has a ton of songs on it. If he got an Ipod, he would have filled it up in 30 minutes :P

cheesecake
06-19-2009, 09:24 AM
That's a LIE! My Zune worked fine for a long time. It even survived Y2K9 where all the first gen Zunes stopped working. The only reason why I don't have it still is because is was stolen... which sucks. But it does work, trust me, I know.

Same here, except I still have mine, and it works fine! To those of you who can't get it to work, I think you're just doing it wrong. :P

localretard
06-19-2009, 09:30 AM
My cousin loves his zune. He got it to work and has a ton of songs on it. If he got an Ipod, he would have filled it up in 30 minutes :P

Luckily I have an 80gb iPod Classic. Still haven't filled it up....and I have a lot of music.
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7861/16461758.th.png (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVXb7Q0)

Kylethedarkn
06-19-2009, 11:25 AM
That's crazy local. I usually only like 1-2 songs from a given artist, but you have like at least 10 from all the artists there. XD

I only have 5.3Gb of music. XD

localretard
06-19-2009, 02:48 PM
I only get whole albums...not single songs.

caramelslice
06-19-2009, 03:11 PM
I prefer PCs. A few friends have Macs and I gave it a try. The reason why I don't like it is probably because I'm not used to navigating around it. I will say that Macs are nice eye candy.

What's funny is that prior to attending college where I'm at, a lot of people suggested I get rid of my PC and get a Mac because it works well with programs that I'd be using in college. When I started college, a lot of my instructors who've been in the animation and game business for quite some time say that PCs are the way to go when working with the programs that we'll be needing.

Mezix
06-19-2009, 03:32 PM
Luckily I have an 80gb iPod Classic. Still haven't filled it up....and I have a lot of music.
Woot! Go 80GB iPod Classic! *High fives* :lol:

Bakanekokao
06-21-2009, 04:43 PM
I love any computer I can play around with, tweek, and enjoy. So any that aren't broken, have bad ram, or have more viruses than I have hair on my head.
I personally like windows and the pc, one because I know how to almost effectively use everythign on it and theres a lot more available for the windows and pc than macs and lineaux. I also can tweek and mess with the pc easier.

Now for the virus thing, definatly windows can be better and mac is top notch; however, it won't be long till hackers and virus makers develope viruses capable of penetrating the mac. It will happen sooner or later, but the mac has some very good defences so I do applaud it. I also like the magnetic charger, its helpful so the whole pc won't be dragged when your pet, friends, children, or you yourself happen to trip over the chord.

I like both. So no honest opinion, but since I use a windows I'll just say windows.

Fullsilverwolf
06-21-2009, 09:15 PM
PC, I really want to try the mac though. DX

pikminsquad2148
06-24-2009, 07:32 AM
Macs are too complex for me.XD So I'll have to say PC.

06-24-2009, 11:24 AM
let me just say that i know mac's so much that i don't even know how to put a windows movie maker project on youtube...
(the only thing i actually know how to use on this PC is Gimp XD )
why must i be forced to use this PC *wishes he was able to keep his mac over the summer*

Sonic62
06-25-2009, 01:37 AM
Macs are too complex for me.XD So I'll have to say PC.
:lol: Same here, I have no idea where things go. I installed Firefox yet it treats it like it hasn't been or something. :?

Jromero1208
07-20-2009, 01:50 AM
I know it's almost been a month since the last reply to this thread but I can't help myself.

I have what I like to think is extensive experience editing videos on both Macs and PC's. For Mac's I used the FCP suite and for PC's I used all Adobe. What I found in my experience is that Mac's in general are more user friendly and pretty to look at but PC's are more setup to handle any type of business software and allow you 100 ways to do one thing. I think the one reason more people don't use Mac's is because the second they see one they freak out cause it's not what their accustomed to layout wise. That's what I did but I stuck with it and now I find Mac's much easier to use.

I own an iMac, Mac book Pro, and an HP and I have to say that I am definitely a Mac.

Scruff
07-21-2009, 11:42 PM
I've always owned a PC but I have to say, I like Macs a lot more. The way the software itself is built far outshines Windows in my opinion. I'm surprised that Microsoft hasn't revamped Windows entirely, actually.

By the way, I find that the Windows commercials aren't a very good counterpoint to the Mac ones, and here's why: The Mac commercials compare the same hardware and software specs between Macs and Windows, and points out how Macs do it better. As for the Windows commercials that show people buying computers, they're comparing Macs and PCs in completely unrelated ways, for example: Macs don't come in many models and Windows has Live Photo Gallery or: Macs cost a lot and Windows can play a lot of games. Microsoft is trying to make it seem like they have a sure footing on their side of the argument, but in my opinion, Macs have all the pros that Windows computers have.

YenTex
07-22-2009, 11:04 AM
I run Windows on my Mac hardware, and then boot Ubuntu off of windows. All running at the same time. Triple boot FTW

velocitractor
07-23-2009, 10:39 PM
I have three computers. A Macbook, 24" Mac Desktop and a 24" PC w/ Windows. Although I do prefer Mac overall when it comes to gaming Windows really does the trick, hence my PC is my gaming computer. And Don't worry, I DO in fact use all three of my computers hahaha

P.S. The matrix runs on windows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8yrOAj ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8yrOAjfKM&feature=related)

P.S.S. Adds on youtube are dumb!

Mathemancer
07-25-2009, 07:17 AM
In with the obligatory Linux (Fedora 11), with a dual-boot of XP.

The data servers at my workplace are all Linux, and for what I want to do, I find Linux easier to work with as well as having a great deal of [FREE!] software that gets the job. For text processing I use LaTeX; for data analysis Octave, IDL (on one of the servers), messing with PerlDL, or OpenOffice if I need something quick (though it still needs a lot of work); for graphics I use GIMP; and to top it off, root user is the best antivirus ever.

skynetmain
07-25-2009, 10:29 PM
I wish I could pic all of the above since I like all OSes on this list. Voted Mac since I use my laptop the most.

I have a tower PC where all of my limited gaming, system resource heavy, and Windows exclusive programs are run. My laptop is a MacBook Pro which is where most of my daily computing is spent.

RobZombie
07-25-2009, 10:46 PM
Wow is PC still dominating in this poll wow wont look at that lol

07-25-2009, 10:49 PM
Wow is PC still dominating in this poll wow wont look at that lol
it's only because people need to realize the awesomeness that is Mac >.>

Mathemancer
07-26-2009, 08:03 AM
Wow is PC still dominating in this poll wow wont look at that lol
it's only because people need to realize the awesomeness that is Mac >.>

Macs are based on FreeBSD, so technically they should add to Linux <_<

Scruff
07-26-2009, 01:46 PM
I don't mind the fact that you have to pay for Macs. At least because of that they keep fine tuning them. When's the last time you got a virus on a Mac?

localretard
07-26-2009, 02:00 PM
Wow is PC still dominating in this poll wow wont look at that lol
it's only because people need to realize the awesomeness that is Mac >.>

Macs are based on FreeBSD, so technically they should add to Linux <_<

But people who care already know that OS X is a Unix based platform anyway...OS X and FreeBSD is nothing like Linux however, which is it's own "variety" of Unix.

Technically I guess the poll should be Windows / Unix (Mac) / Linux.

MoorhsumYldaed
07-28-2009, 10:47 AM
I've used PC's my entire life, so naturally, I voted PC. ;u

However, I do love some of the features that come on Macs, namely GarageBand. <3

Kylethedarkn
07-28-2009, 05:38 PM
I've used PC's my entire life, so naturally, I voted PC. ;u

However, I do love some of the features that come on Macs, namely GarageBand. <3

But PC has Fruity Loops!!!

I have tinkerlated with Garageband though. I like making songs with it at bestbuy and just looping them really loud and leaving. XD

Ledjar
07-29-2009, 04:54 AM
Mac is without a doubt the best. I used windows for every distribution since 3.1 and i'm just sick of it, Its far too unstable.
Recently i bought my second mac, because how how reliable the one i bought in 04 has been. I never have to reformat my mac to keep it running fast. It doesn't have odd issues like vista where the memory fills up and you have to restart it. and all the hardware works fine and hasn't gone out in 5 years on my old laptop (soon to be 6). No anti-virus or repairs needed, and i love that. Aside from stability OSX just flows better. All the best parts of unix without having to use linux.

shadedevlin
07-30-2009, 03:23 AM
Mac. I miss my old Performa. Newer Macs are getting back into the gaming market, but that's why I bought a PS3. But anyway, I'm gonna go and play the original Worms again. And maybe Prince of Persia.

DarkG
07-31-2009, 03:29 AM
tbh, with Windows Vista it was close between the operating systems, since Windows Vista was bad, Windows 7 will definately make it more clear that PC is awesome :P

DarkSonic
07-31-2009, 03:33 AM
PC FTW!

shigity1285
08-03-2009, 12:10 PM
Okay, after reading all 13 pages of this forum, yes I read every post that wasn't flaming of some kind. I chose PC because I don't own a Mac and not out of hatred for mac, it's just between the uses on both a Mac and PC as a user PC best fit my needs at the time I built my computer.

Now, after reading all this you guys a piqued my interest in a Mac more than anything else. Now I have some questions. How easy is it to upgrade a Macs components like graphics cards RAM and such, would you have to buy a whole new Mac, is it similar to upgrading a PC? How easy is it to manage OS partitions on a Mac because it's horrible on PC and if it's easier I may have to switch the next time I have enough money to do so. Is it feasible to just install OS X on an external hard drive and just run it off there so I don't have to buy a new computer when I just built my current one in December.

Oh, this made me laugh the first time I saw it.
This isn't how I feel about Mac users. (http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa87/Kolamer/1219270524753.jpg)

Gwellin
08-03-2009, 12:38 PM
Now, after reading all this you guys a piqued my interest in a Mac more than anything else. Now I have some questions. How easy is it to upgrade a Macs components like graphics cards RAM and such, would you have to buy a whole new Mac, is it similar to upgrading a PC? How easy is it to manage OS partitions on a Mac because it's horrible on PC and if it's easier I may have to switch the next time I have enough money to do so. Is it feasible to just install OS X on an external hard drive and just run it off there so I don't have to buy a new computer when I just built my current one in December.
As far as full upgrades, your only real option unfortunately is the Mac Pro (http://www.apple.com/macpro/) desktop tower. Every other model allows for easy enough upgrading of RAM and hard drives though.

Partitions are actually incredibly easy on Macs, with the Disk Utility application which is included on the bootable OS disk as well. Then there's the easy to use Boot Camp Utility to split off a partition for Windows and generate a drivers package for when you get Windows installed.

Another thing is that Mac OS X is simple to install and boot from an external drive, however I would recommend using Time Machine on it instead. That is a drive backup utility, and if you get a new machine, or reformat, you can simply restore your files from that.

Nashzilla
08-03-2009, 12:47 PM
i am back in DFW visiting my family. they own a PC, i have a mac.

God i miss my mac.

Ledjar
08-13-2009, 12:20 AM
Now, after reading all this you guys a piqued my interest in a Mac more than anything else. Now I have some questions. How easy is it to upgrade a Macs components like graphics cards RAM and such, would you have to buy a whole new Mac, is it similar to upgrading a PC?

How easy is it to manage OS partitions on a Mac because it's horrible on PC and if it's easier I may have to switch the next time I have enough money to do so. Is it feasible to just install OS X on an external hard drive and just run it off there so I don't have to buy a new computer when I just built my current one in December.

it depends on the mac you own but for the most part you can upgrade the memory/hard drive on any of the laptops fairly easily and the same goes for the imac line. imac's are kind of a pain to work on but how often are you gonna rip your mac open? other than cleaning it there's no real reason to do anything other than that one time only hard drive/memory upgrade you might do. However on the powerpc (the tower) its pretty much the exact thing as working with a ATX motherboard on a PC however odds are you won't be able to upgrade the CPU. But you will be able to upgrade the Video card, add a video capture card if you like, the memory would be easy and the hard drive would also be super easy.

Partition management is actually quite easy unless you consider sliding a bar around hard. And yes it is feasible to run your OS off an external but it'll have your OS running so slow it wouldn't be worth it, i mean USB goes about 25x slower than an internal hard drive and when your talking about an OS its just gonna be a disaster. I've actually ran a duel boot setup on my laptop with Vista and OSX but i just killed the vista install because i really didn't ever use it so i figured i might as well free up the space.

OSX is just a helluva lot more stable than any version of windows thats came out so far, and you never have to reformat it, it runs as fast as the day you bought it as long as you do proper upkeep. you don't have to defragment it ever because the files are stored correctly in the file system to begin with. and lastly, when snow leopard comes out it'd be silly to run any OS that doesn't have multithreading for the CPU in every single one of its programs.

and if price is an issue, just get the hacked x86 version of Lepoard:
http://ideneb.net/

Kylethedarkn
08-13-2009, 11:59 AM
*coug*Hackintosh*cough*
[attachment=0:25a5vq6p]Picture 1.png[/attachment:25a5vq6p]

I like it so far, can't figure out how to change the resolution....well I mean I found the place, but it only lists one resolution for one of my monitor. My GFX card can support 1900x1600 but its only @ 1024x768 and it won't let me change it XD.

RobZombie
08-13-2009, 01:08 PM
"Sings" Anything Mac can do PC can do better PC can do anything better that Mac :)

Sonic62
08-13-2009, 04:04 PM
"Sings" Anything Mac can do PC can do better PC can do anything better that Mac :)
*Awaits Mac fanboy backlash* :lol:

08-13-2009, 09:04 PM
"Sings" Anything Mac can do PC can do better PC can do anything better that Mac :)
_objection_ rawrawrawr mac's do things better than PCs :twisted:

it can even use every program ever made just by using bootcamp _triforce_

Kylethedarkn
08-13-2009, 10:19 PM
"Sings" Anything Mac can do PC can do better PC can do anything better that Mac :)
_objection_ rawrawrawr mac's do things better than PCs :twisted:

it can even use every program ever made just by using bootcamp _triforce_
Well some PCs can run OSX, so :P

Marche100
10-08-2009, 04:58 AM
They make us use Macs at school. They make us. I have never seen a type of computer that I have hated as much as that. Not only because it doesn't play games, but there are sooo many problems with it. Alot of times we can't even use the Macs at school because only one of like 29 of them are actually up and running. Well guess what, my computer works flawlessly, and I've almost never had any problems with it. Oh whats this, it also plays games.

I'm Marche100 and you'll have to rip my PC from my cold dead hands before I convert to a Mac.

Kylethedarkn
10-08-2009, 05:23 AM
I have a friend who makes me want his Mac. He custom tweaked the Os to allow him to run 4 OS's at the same time and monitor them from a drop down tab on the Mac Os. Its freaking crazy. Not to mention he has like 28Gb of Ram, and a super processor. Sheesh.

Gwellin
10-08-2009, 12:29 PM
They make us use Macs at school. They make us. I have never seen a type of computer that I have hated as much as that. Not only because it doesn't play games, but there are sooo many problems with it. Alot of times we can't even use the Macs at school because only one of like 29 of them are actually up and running. Well guess what, my computer works flawlessly, and I've almost never had any problems with it. Oh whats this, it also plays games.

I'm Marche100 and you'll have to rip my PC from my cold dead hands before I convert to a Mac.
*sighs* Here we go again.

Just because the tech guys at your school are absolute idiots doesn't mean that Macs are bad machines. It makes me wonder what the actual problem is though.

As for games, you can bloody install Windows on a Mac, so your whole point is moot.

If you had a legitimate reason to dislike Macs then I wouldn't have a problem, but I cannot stand it when people hate Macs because they don't know anything about them and make assumptions.

TheFinnGamer
10-08-2009, 12:37 PM
I have a Vista and I will get a W7Premium update for only 15$, which will be send at 16th of October, because I got a new Acer PC

But my father got a Mac and his friend showed what crazy things you can do with it (run like 3 systems at once and copy something from mac to windows with Parallele Machines _awesome_), so I'm for Mac

Marche100
10-08-2009, 01:43 PM
You make valid points Gwellin, sorry for expressing my hate for Macs without knowing all that much about them. But I still don't like Macs for the sole reason of being so hard to use after using a PC for all my life. Also, I think that the setup on Macs could be done better. I don't like how Macs don't have right click button, because that becomes very confusing for us PC users. Also, I don't like the whole icons along the bottom of the screen.

So, I still don't like Macs, and I doubt that'll change, but if I needed to I wouldn't mind using a Mac.

localretard
10-08-2009, 02:22 PM
You make valid points Gwellin, sorry for expressing my hate for Macs without knowing all that much about them. But I still don't like Macs for the sole reason of being so hard to use after using a PC for all my life. Also, I think that the setup on Macs could be done better. I don't like how Macs don't have right click button, because that becomes very confusing for us PC users. Also, I don't like the whole icons along the bottom of the screen.

So, I still don't like Macs, and I doubt that'll change, but if I needed to I wouldn't mind using a Mac.

Setup's are done just fine in my opinion .dmg is a compressed format much like .zip or .rar, so if you imagine all setups on windows coming in a .rar or .zip file instead of just a solitary .exe file then it's all really the same.

As for the right click, Mac are compatible with all mice (mouses?) so if you have a mouse with the second button (right button) then yes, you will have right click.

The dock (icons at the bottom of the screen) is fully customizable, you can have as many or as few apps you want. At this moment I don't think it's possible to get rid of the dock...but why would you want to. It's a very helpful feature.

I switched from Windows to Mac about a year ago, and I haven't regretted it yet. I'm not a fanboy though because I use Windows 7 too and I'm enjoying that as well.

Marche100
10-08-2009, 03:33 PM
:|


I just like PCs. I'm leaving it at that.

Sonic62
10-11-2009, 11:17 PM
I use the default Mac mouse and have a right click, you just need to set it up in the system preferences. I had the same problem until I found that.

As for games, you can bloody install Windows on a Mac, so your whole point is moot.I don't see how needing Windows on Mac to play games makes it moot. It seems that should hurt your argument. :roll:

localretard
10-12-2009, 01:06 AM
I think the point he was trying to make is ALL Macs can install Windows and run it natively, whereas NOT ALL Windows machines can run OS X natively. Yes hackintoshes are possible but that's just it...you need specific hardware in order to do it. Apple isn't trying to help sell Windows, they are making sure their consumers are happy with their purchase. Hence Apple's "Migration assistant" (for those who switch from Windows), unless I'm mistaken Windows doesn't have a assistant for those who switch from Mac.

The majority of game companies look at the Windows market share compared to the Mac market share and see that the Mac share is significantly lower, therefore not economically efficient to develop for. For example if we take (with a grain of salt) the wikipedia stats for the OS usage share (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_desktop_operating_systems) We can see that Windows XP and Vista take up 90% of the chart, while Mac only takes up 5%. It's not hard to understand why Mac doesn't have a huge amount of native games. It's not because of hardware limitations, it's strictly because of marketing capabilities. However it would seem that Apple is trying to bridge that gap with the implementation of Intel processors (Instead of PowerPC) and Bootcamp.

So now if I reword it to "If the game company doesn't make a Mac compatible game, then you can install windows to play it natively." does it make more sense? Doesn't it seem like being able to have both OS's is better than having one? Granted you need a valid windows serial, but if you have a computer with windows on it already, then you, 99% of the time, will already have a valid key on a "genuine sticker" somewhere on the computer.

Sorry for the long post, but it's pretty informative.

Ledjar
10-12-2009, 04:15 AM
I think the point he was trying to make is ALL Macs can install Windows and run it natively, whereas NOT ALL Windows machines can run OS X natively.

Technically not all macs you have to have OS X 1.5 or higher and a Intel Processor, so basically post-2006

localretard
10-12-2009, 12:46 PM
I think the point he was trying to make is ALL Macs can install Windows and run it natively, whereas NOT ALL Windows machines can run OS X natively.

Technically not all macs you have to have OS X 1.5 or higher and a Intel Processor, so basically post-2006

Well of course not literally all Macs, you don't expect the Lisa to run Windows now do you? But all Macs being produced now-a-days.

If you want to be technical, "OS X 1.5" doesn't make sense, I assume you mean OS X 10.5 or Leopard.

Kylethedarkn
10-12-2009, 05:05 PM
What I don't get is why OSX is staying native to Mac computers. I mean if I could install the normal OSX on my custom built pc, then I might use Mac more than Windows. However Apple keeps OSX available only on there good quality expensive Macs. The Price is what's holding me back. Though, I might try installing Mac OSX86 again...

Scruff
10-12-2009, 09:26 PM
What I don't get is why OSX is staying native to Mac computers. I mean if I could install the normal OSX on my custom built pc, then I might use Mac more than Windows. However Apple keeps OSX available only on there good quality expensive Macs. The Price is what's holding me back. Though, I might try installing Mac OSX86 again...
Part of the reason why Apple keeps OSX exclusive to Macs is so they can maintain the ease of use motto they're going for. If the OS is running on a computer that the same company made, then there's less of a chance of messing something up. As Jony Ive from Apple said: "When you have multiple parts, you increase the opportunity for failure," and that makes sense.

Kylethedarkn
10-12-2009, 09:37 PM
What I don't get is why OSX is staying native to Mac computers. I mean if I could install the normal OSX on my custom built pc, then I might use Mac more than Windows. However Apple keeps OSX available only on there good quality expensive Macs. The Price is what's holding me back. Though, I might try installing Mac OSX86 again...
Part of the reason why Apple keeps OSX exclusive to Macs is so they can maintain the ease of use motto they're going for. If the OS is running on a computer that the same company made, then there's less of a chance of messing something up. As Jony Ive from Apple said: "When you have multiple parts, you increase the opportunity for failure," and that makes sense.
That's the selfishness I don't like about them. XD

Scruff
10-12-2009, 09:56 PM
That's the selfishness I don't like about them. XD
I wouldn't call it selfishness, it's more that they don't want to sell out. :)

Kylethedarkn
10-12-2009, 10:14 PM
That's the selfishness I don't like about them. XD
I wouldn't call it selfishness, it's more that they don't want to sell out. :)
Well its more the idea that they want to be exclusive to one set of hardware. They same way there are exclusive titles for Consoles. Limiting Macs to people with a good chunk of money rather than making it available for everyone.

localretard
10-12-2009, 10:47 PM
Microsoft is doing the same thing with the 360 (on a smaller scale), you have to buy their proprietary hard drive, whereas the PS3 you can use any 2.5" SATA hard drive.

It's just keeping the money "in the family" if you will.

Kylethedarkn
10-12-2009, 10:52 PM
Microsoft is doing the same thing with the 360 (on a smaller scale), you have to buy their proprietary hard drive, whereas the PS3 you can use any 2.5" SATA hard drive.

It's just keeping the money "in the family" if you will.
I'm not trying to say Apple is the only one who does it, but in terms of OSs they are. The idea in general is selfish and greedy, but that point strays from the original topic, so I say we drop the subject and bring up a new one for debate.

Gwellin
10-13-2009, 12:19 AM
I'm not trying to say Apple is the only one who does it, but in terms of OSs they are. The idea in general is selfish and greedy, but that point strays from the original topic, so I say we drop the subject and bring up a new one for debate.
Only one? Okay, answer this then. Why did Microsoft never make a version of Windows that was able to run on a Power PC processor? Apple took the step to make Windows work on their hardware, not the other way around.

The hardware issue is a very real problem though. Can you imagine how much it would cost to develop and test on all the different hardware configurations out there, and prepare for variations yet to come? With the limited hardware set they can put more minds on UI and functionality fixes so that they don't come up with something like Vista.

Kylethedarkn
10-13-2009, 05:21 AM
I'm not trying to say Apple is the only one who does it, but in terms of OSs they are. The idea in general is selfish and greedy, but that point strays from the original topic, so I say we drop the subject and bring up a new one for debate.
Only one? Okay, answer this then. Why did Microsoft never make a version of Windows that was able to run on a Power PC processor? Apple took the step to make Windows work on their hardware, not the other way around.

The hardware issue is a very real problem though. Can you imagine how much it would cost to develop and test on all the different hardware configurations out there, and prepare for variations yet to come? With the limited hardware set they can put more minds on UI and functionality fixes so that they don't come up with something like Vista.
They may not have made it available on Macs, however you could go and slap any hardware components together and then install Windows on them. Something you still can't do with Macs.(Well I mean you could make a hackintosh, but that's not supported by apple and a lot of stuff doesn't work with it) Linux also will install on pretty much any setup. Well, time for school. :P

localretard
10-13-2009, 06:24 AM
When Macs upgrade their OS, there is no need to worry about driver compatibilities. I don't think you can say the same for Windows. Linux I don't really know about.

Just sayin'.

Ledjar
10-15-2009, 02:50 AM
Linux I don't really know about.

Linux actually does have a fairly good hardware finder, however if it doesn't find it on its own, god help you. It'll probably be like doing most other things in Linux, extremely hard.




Well its more the idea that they want to be exclusive to one set of hardware. They same way there are exclusive titles for Consoles. Limiting Macs to people with a good chunk of money rather than making it available for everyone.

It goes a little beyond that, Its also a performance thing (and as of recently, a green thing), Everything with apple is done in house, which leads to extremely high performance given the specs (especially now that snow leopard is out).

I remember back when i bought my first mac, it was a 1.2 ghz G4 Ibook and it was actually faster than the 2.5ghz PC i had. The same can definitely be said about my current macbook pro vs my desktop. My desktop had a phenom 9500+ Amd Quad core (that's 4 2.3ghz equivalent) and on this laptop i'm using a 2.4 duo (2gb memory on both) and its much faster, for games, for applicatoins, really for anything i've thrown at it.

Wallace
10-20-2009, 09:35 PM
When Macs upgrade their OS, there is no need to worry about driver compatibilities. I don't think you can say the same for Windows. Linux I don't really know about.

Just sayin'.

That's because if you have a Mac computer you most likely have Mac hardware so there is no need to worry about drivers.

The fault in the PC is the fact there are so many manufactures out there and it creates compatibility issues. Windows screwed up with Vista. Vista should have not ever been made. I remember someone once saying that because XP has automatic updates there will never be a need for a new OS. Well, they don't make money that way. They have to make new Windows systems not to upgrade the software but to continue to profit.

Anyway, I still like the PC because, you can buy a PC for much cheaper then a mac, and you are able to better customize the computer.

Kylethedarkn
10-21-2009, 05:16 AM
So what does it mean, If I got a kernal panic during the installation of Mac OSX? XD

localretard
10-21-2009, 07:41 AM
So what does it mean, If I got a kernal panic during the installation of Mac OSX? XD

Most likely on a hackintosh, Am I right?

Kylethedarkn
10-21-2009, 03:34 PM
So what does it mean, If I got a kernal panic during the installation of Mac OSX? XD

Most likely on a hackintosh, Am I right?
No.... <_< >_> Ok...Yeah XD. But still, how does that even happen. XD

Scruff
10-21-2009, 03:55 PM
Most likely on a hackintosh, Am I right?
No.... <_< >_> Ok...Yeah XD. But still, how does that even happen. XD
I think I know why. :P Since Apple intends for Mac OS X to run just on Macs, they can customize it as much as they want to work with them, so that's probably why you're getting errors when trying to install it.

Kylethedarkn
10-21-2009, 03:59 PM
Most likely on a hackintosh, Am I right?
No.... <_< >_> Ok...Yeah XD. But still, how does that even happen. XD
I think I know why. :P Since Apple intends for Mac OS X to run just on Macs, they can customize it as much as they want to work with them, so that's probably why you're getting errors when trying to install it.
Yes, but I've installed it on this computer before. Bleh I'll just try again. :P

localretard
10-21-2009, 05:20 PM
A lot of factors go into a kernal panic just like a BSOD...because they are essentially the same. It could be faulty hardware, could be an error on the disc itself...etc, etc.

But just know since you're trying to install it on unsupported hardware, with a specialized hackintosh install disc, you're more likely to receive these errors.

Kylethedarkn
10-21-2009, 08:19 PM
A lot of factors go into a kernal panic just like a BSOD...because they are essentially the same. It could be faulty hardware, could be an error on the disc itself...etc, etc.

But just know since you're trying to install it on unsupported hardware, with a specialized hackintosh install disc, you're more likely to receive these errors.
Hmm, well that's unfortunate, but oh well, I'll just have to get someone to buy me one of the new supermacs. XD

Ledjar
10-25-2009, 04:03 AM
i only pay like $30 a month for my macbook pro.

Kylethedarkn
10-25-2009, 01:40 PM
i only pay like $30 a month for my macbook pro.
If I can't buy something straight up I don't buy it. That way I never get into debt.

GoldGameMaster
10-26-2009, 03:50 PM
Pc For The Win!

Ledjar
10-26-2009, 08:31 PM
Something i think some of you might find interesting:

http://gizmodo.com/5389166/how-to-hacki ... -x-netbook (http://gizmodo.com/5389166/how-to-hackintosh-a-dell-mini-10v-into-the-ultimate-os-x-netbook)

if you can't afford an actual apple, apparently the $300 10v (http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebook ... s=19&s=dhs (http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/laptop-inspiron-10/pd.aspx?refid=laptop-inspiron-10&cs=19&s=dhs)) runs OSX pretty damn well. According to the install your gonna need a 8gb+ usb drive (flash/external) I found one for $15 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820810020 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820810020)) so for about $350 (after buying a legal copy of snow leopard) you can have a pretty rockin apple laptop. The 1.6ghz is about how fast the laptops where in like 05 so it won't play a lot of new games, but i bet it could run wow. and emulators and whatnot.

Marche100
10-27-2009, 04:53 AM
i only pay like $30 a month for my macbook pro.
If I can't buy something straight up I don't buy it. That way I never get into debt.

I agree, I'd rather buy something up front that have to pay each month for it, because you never know when something could happen and you can't pay for it that month. Plus, I would feel pressure on me to get the money to pay for it that month, and I hate pressure like that. If you buy it up front, it's yours for good! :o

THESUPERPENGUIN
11-27-2009, 11:03 PM
Macs are better.

My argument:
[spoiler:2js52to3]http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk144/THESUPERPENGUIN/Picture7.png[/spoiler:2js52to3]

kmmgreen5
11-27-2009, 11:05 PM
rofl, i guess that makes my argument invalid

Raen
11-27-2009, 11:10 PM
That is a really, really hilariously amazing picture.

Go Macs! I admit, I use PCs (only due to gaming, in all seriousness), but I feel that Macs are the better machines.

Kylethedarkn
11-28-2009, 03:09 AM
What I don't get it, is something misspelled in the picture or something?

Anyways I've recently taken a liking to linux. I actually just made a web server out of my old comp using xubuntu. I'll have to figure out how to use and secure that XD

localretard
11-28-2009, 03:13 AM
What I don't get it, is something misspelled in the picture or something?
Sometimes people see only what they want to see XD

Kylethedarkn
11-28-2009, 12:09 PM
What I don't get it, is something misspelled in the picture or something?
Sometimes people see only what they want to see XD
Ohhhhhhhhh, ok I see it now. Damn focus throwing me off.

Wallace
12-02-2009, 12:20 PM
Macs are better.

My argument:
[spoiler:3dbl1bt5]http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk144/THESUPERPENGUIN/Picture7.png[/spoiler:3dbl1bt5]

I still say the apple was photoshoped on the laptop.

[spoiler:3dbl1bt5]http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q180/Insignificant_Item/notapple.png[/spoiler:3dbl1bt5]

See It's easy to use Photoshop to add a label to it. However, I wonder if the computer was ever really on the podium to begin with.

Kylethedarkn
12-02-2009, 03:18 PM
If it was photoshopped they did a really really good job.

localretard
12-02-2009, 03:33 PM
Macs are better.

My argument:
[spoiler:7li1oywp]http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk144/THESUPERPENGUIN/Picture7.png[/spoiler:7li1oywp]

I still say the apple was photoshoped on the laptop.

[spoiler:7li1oywp]http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q180/Insignificant_Item/notapple.png[/spoiler:7li1oywp]

See It's easy to use Photoshop to add a label to it. However, I wonder if the computer was ever really on the podium to begin with.

Sigh...I guess someone needs more proof that microsoft uses apple products.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oGFogwcx-E (Hint: they tried to hide the logo with flower stickers)

Tachyon
12-02-2009, 03:54 PM
Macs are better.

My argument:
[spoiler:29v53t3p]http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk144/THESUPERPENGUIN/Picture7.png[/spoiler:29v53t3p]

I still say the apple was photoshoped on the laptop.

[spoiler:29v53t3p]http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q180/Insignificant_Item/notapple.png[/spoiler:29v53t3p]

See It's easy to use Photoshop to add a label to it. However, I wonder if the computer was ever really on the podium to begin with.

Sigh...I guess someone needs more proof that microsoft uses apple products.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oGFogwcx-E (Hint: they tried to hide the logo with flower stickers)
Local, why must you bring up the dead? I'm pretty sure I've seen that 20 times now! ;w;
But yeah, thats pretty sad right there, using childish stickers to cover up the apple logo? You can even see the mag-safe adapter in the interview scene!

Wallace
12-02-2009, 04:11 PM
Macs are better.

My argument:
[spoiler:godfykdq]http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk144/THESUPERPENGUIN/Picture7.png[/spoiler:godfykdq]

I still say the apple was photoshoped on the laptop.

[spoiler:godfykdq]http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q180/Insignificant_Item/notapple.png[/spoiler:godfykdq]

See It's easy to use Photoshop to add a label to it. However, I wonder if the computer was ever really on the podium to begin with.

Sigh...I guess someone needs more proof that microsoft uses apple products.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oGFogwcx-E (Hint: they tried to hide the logo with flower stickers)

That is a budget advert. The people they hired to make the advert probably had macbooks. why? because Macs are much better for video editing. Yes.. Mac has a reason for existence, just no reason I need.. Microsoft was just too dumb to see it. It's not proof that Microsoft needs Macs to run. This was a different company that made the advertisement that probably didn't even know the difference in mac and PC.

grayzeanne
01-07-2010, 04:48 PM
Okay, I have a PC, but I really want a Mac.
Yeah, I'm a Mac girl, get over it.
_awesome_

ctizz36
01-07-2010, 05:05 PM
I prefer a PC than a Mac

CaptainX24
01-07-2010, 06:57 PM
I run Windows on a PC, but would really like to switch to Linux...

Wallace
01-07-2010, 09:06 PM
I run Windows on a PC, but would really like to switch to Linux...

It would be nice to run Linux except.. that whole compatibility issue. If I had a computer which was nothing but an office machine and nothing more, it would likely be Linux.

Shofs
01-09-2010, 06:47 AM
I voted PC simply because that's what I use most of the time. But I don't have anything against Mac. I would buy one if I had the moneyz.
I also like Linux, that's what I use on my laptop. :)

Shad
01-09-2010, 12:29 PM
PC for gamez and such.

If I owned a macbook I'd be embarrassed to use it in public tbh =/

GrimsChild
01-09-2010, 01:08 PM
PC.

I used to like Macs but then Bk released the Windows 7 burger and Microsoft showed me the light.

theberserked
01-09-2010, 08:30 PM
I need to pay more attention to which vote selection is which, I mixed up the PC and Mac ones and accidentally chose Mac. :?

But yes, I have and probably always will be a PC user. Not that I have anything against Macs, but I haven ever used them. Of course, that also means one day I might buy one and have them change my mind about everything...

SOAR
01-10-2010, 02:00 PM
Well I got the Mac and while it did take a while getting used to, I do love it.
I've only turned on my PC to get files, music, etc.

But sadly my capture device won't work for a mac.

Also, Garageband is great fun!!

DeeVeeDee
01-10-2010, 03:17 PM
Bk released the Windows 7 burger and Microsoft showed me the light.

Amen Brother! _spy_

mr-saturn
01-19-2010, 08:42 PM
im mr-saturn and im a pc

BuizelBro
01-19-2010, 09:09 PM
im a mac, but i think PC is overall better. Mac is for phancy shtuff that i dont need, and windows makes it simplified with windows 7!

jk, but id rather have a Windows laptop than my macbook, just because it makes more sense, and its less distracting from work

That1guyusee
07-27-2010, 12:12 AM
Mac Forever.